Soooo...You wonder if this guy would get a proper background check?

Convicted killer caught trying to burglarize Granger gun shop

http://articles.southbendtribune.com/2013-05-15/news/39290036_1_gun-shop-gun-store-dog-biscuits

 

I like that dog biscuit thing... creative, if not clever.

Career criminals will be criminals. Looks like he has been in and out of trouble since before I was born.

 

Why is this guy still alive?

99% of the time, anyone covicted of killing someone else during the commision of a violent crime should be put to death within a year.

His family and the community at large would be far better protected with others like him at the end of rope.

 

Kind of funny that, as a career criminal, he couldn't just call on one of his many "black market" contacts to obtain guns...
I guess not every criminal has a wide network of shadowy contacts, which actually strengthens the gun control position.

 

Naw, this is a criminal with a fetish. Someone that cleans other people's guns for fun. If he had any sense, he could probably hire out and create his own business cleaning other people's guns. Someone with 50 guns in storage needs them cleaned and oiled at least once a year.

 

And you think IF he had of gained access he would have only taken a Desert Eagle?? Ever wonder how those guns get on the Black market besides getting them from burglarizing homes??

 

Fast and Furious?

 

Actually, many of your allies on here seem to think there's a worldwide black market that could easily step in and replace the licensed gun dealers that currently outnumber grocery stores.

The fact that the US is the source for most black market weapons is conveniently overlooked.

 

Isn't that the incident where the ATF tried to identify which gun buyers were delivering guns to cartels by watching it happen? Given that the illegal act could only be proven in court if there was evidence that the guns were being supplied to cartels, what would have happened if the ATF had intercepted the buyers prior to delivery?

My guess: Fox "news" would have run a story about the government arresting legal buyers of firearms without evidence that any crime was being committed. Then gun "enthusiasts", led by the NRA, would have whined about their 2A rights even more than they/you already do.

 

Well I am not sure how much of a career he's had.

 

But, how can that be? According to gun lovers he should have a right to not be infringed in the keeping and bearing of Arms.

Do they not say what they mean or mean what they say regarding our Second Amendment?

 

Yup, after all, wasn't that the point of Congress shooting down any consideration for universal background checks in order to purchase firearms? After all, we wouldn't want the 2A rights of criminals to be compromised...

'Merica!

 

It must by why our Founding Fathers deliberately enumerated our Second Amendment in the manner they did.

 

This looks like the start of the black market to me. Get gun illegally, sell gun. Sounds like the black market to me.

 

Breaks in his employment contract because of unavoidable obligations (prison).

 

I wonder if there is a black market insurer for that type of stuff?

 

Maybe so, and it had nothing to do with foreign sources for guns (ie: guns coming into the US across the border). Given that the major issue in black market firearms is them going into Mexico from the US, I guess this isn't a surprise.

So remind me, where would criminals get their guns if guns were harder for them to obtain in the US?

 

Stolen firearms. No background checks, registration doesn't prevent it, and the bad guy still gets the guns. For what its worth, I don't think a ton of firearms would come into the states if all firearms are banned. There are already a bunch of guns here inn the states.

 

Ok, let's look at those ideas and what could be done about them; just for the sake of keeping guns out of criminal hands while still allowing the law-abiding to have access:
1) Stolen firearms: What if there was liability insurance on firearms that was offset by owning a gun safe and attaining a safety class that focused on secure storage? This would encourage people to get educated about gun safety, and may cut back on accidental/negligent shootings as well as preventing gun theft.

2) No background checks: Yeah, it's just stupid that we don't have this in place. What if you had to get a "shooter license", similar to a driver's license? It could require a background check, be used as a formal ID, and require some gun training and/or a test to obtain... Then you'd just have to present the current valid license in order to purchase a gun.

3) Registration would shut down straw purchasers very quickly... If a pattern emerges in which "John Doe" legally purchase firearms (and have them registered to him), and those firearms are used in crimes and/or are found in the possession of criminals; John could be charged as an accessory to the crime. This would shut off a major avenue for criminals to obtain guns, which would make the commission of many crimes significantly more difficult.

How much impact would that really have on the law-abiding folks?

 

True, true........

 

The real reasons exist within the government's direct ties to drug cartel leaders. In Operation Fast and Furious, ATF agents let federal guns "walk" into drug cartel rings, where they hoped to identify who the cartel leaders were. The US agency eventually lost track of the weapons. Most weapons found their way into the hands of violent hit men.

http://www.naturalnews.com/040306_Obama_guns_in_Mexico_Fast_and_Furious.html#ixzz2TXCOX94G


In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.


ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_1...furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/

 

A convicted felon wis not allowed to possess a firearm. So it would be illegal for him to even clean others. Unless this rule does not apply if he is cleaning only parts of guns and is not in possession of all the parts. But I don't know.

 

1 I will not pay a liability on a fire arm. My fire arm does not need insurance becuase it is in no danger of being broken. But if you mean a liability in case my gun kills someone, well all I can say is dead men tell no tales so the where would the insurance money go to( when I say this, I say my life and my fams are more important to me than a burgler. I don't shoot to wound, you can get sued for that)

2 we have background checks in place and have for sometime now. Law abiding citizens use it fairly often. However background checks do not stop criminals from illegally obtaining firearms. So really, licensing would do nothing

3. All that does is put a burden on legal gun owners. Guns get stolen and sold- this should not be an extra burden for lawful owners. Gun registration thoughout history has always lead to confiscation. We will not allow our rights to be slowly chipped away for "feel good" laws that do nothing but burden law abiding citizens.

 

I think you are right.

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LOL, yeah, because the Government actually following the law is so un-American.

 

Criminals do not obey the law. Laws are worthless. We should eliminate laws.

Great Logic.