"Space Force all the way!"

Yes - we MUST have that Space Force at once!!


Illegal space aliens will soon be landing their hi tech space ships which includes all sorts of WMD and we shall all perish unless we have that force to keep them away!

Here they come:

 

I already gave you the reason.

In fact, I went over it twice.

This isn't going to happen for a variety of reasons.

Number on is that Trump isn't serious about it.

There is no real plan. This White House has not been involved in weeks of intensive planning and discussion about it. They haven't talked to the armed forces. They haven't taken the temperature of congressional leaders.

Where is the plan? Which part of which armed forces is going to be peeled off and installed at this new Space Force? What is the budget, and where is the money going to come from (and apropos quesiton since Trump is racing toward a $2 trillion deficit next year).

Where is the enabling legislation? Trump can't wave his magic little finger and just proclaim it. (although I realize that neither Trump, nor his fan base really understand that yet).

And how come you didn't see any congressional leaders at the roll out, and no one is rushing to do stand ups with reporters to comment on it either.

The history of the Trump Administration so far (as well as the history of how he runs his business) clearly indicates that no one in the White House has the slightest idea how to go about doing any of this. And not much real interest in doing the work either. Obviously, there is no sign that they have even attempted to do it.

Everything Trump had done so far has been slapped together at the last minute, and not accompanied by any sort of background work or material commitments. The pageant he staged for Kim Jong Un, and the predictable aftermath stand as a case in point.

The Armed Forces were last reorgaized in 1947. That was a huge undertaking, with a lot of negotiation and moving parts.

And the services are very jealous and very good at guarding their turf.

You will note that none of the reasons I have listed have a thing to do with partisan politics.

 

I'm not so sure. Thanks for your opinions.

Disagreed. Maybe so, maybe not; what is Trump serious about except to protect his image?

It's up to the military and Congress to come up with a plan.

 

It is a smart idea. Imagine, government ahead of the curve rather than reacting. Trump sees ahead of the coming battle. Space, despite its name, will not be infinite.

Getting ready is a good thing.

 

I didn't take obamacare seriously and look what happened.

 

Nah, we don't need Captain Spanky Bone Spurs's space force. After all, conservatives always tell us that expanded government is reprehensible, is a wastage of tax dollars, and creates too much regulation. Therefore, on principle (if right wingers had any at all), the right wing should condemn Spanky's new force.

 

Agreed. It not only adds expense to taxpayers, it weakens the USAF. A better plan, IMO, is to create a multi-service force under the command of the USAF much like Delta Force under the Army and the Joint Special Operations Command.

 

No, this is the Administration's policy. It's up to them to work with the Pentagon and NASA to come up with a plan.

Congress and the military don't do Trump's homework for him.

There is no sign that anything like that is underway. And nobody who knows what they're doing in politics goes out and does the roll out without having done the homework in advance.

Trump does not do homework in advance. He just shows up and tries to BS his way through.

Trump isn't serious about anything other than protecting the image he has built with a very narrow and specific audience.

He certainly does not care about protecting the image of the President of the United States.

BTW, if you disagree, perhaps you can make a case for disagreeing.

 

We shall see.

Trump is CiC. He's ordering to happen and staking his legacy on it. Sure, maybe he'll compromise on it, but I think he wants a "Space Force" and envisions his name on a spaceship. Obviously you have a lot more interest in this than I do. I'm against it, but it isn't my call.

 

Ok lots of stuff wrong and or ignorant about this post so where to begin.

Ok first off who the actual **** are you talking to? When have I ever suggested I don’t care about or pretended that Russia is waging a cyber war against us? How dumb is this bs argument from you?

2. Might not exist? You do remember in 2007 when China shot down a satellite right? This isn’t a question of does it exist. This **** already exists. Both Russia and China have stated that in the event of conflict with the US one of their first priorities would be to knock out our satellite infrastructure. You have any concept of how important that **** is to us? But yeah. Ignore these facts and keep ranting at everyone about the horrifying and terrible dangerous of low effort memes on ****ing Facebook, rant and rave about how much you’re terrified of Russia, yet ignore actual real threats that they present. ****ing liberals.

 

Huh! What are you talking about?

 

White House advisors will allow Trump and Pence to talk about it until the next red herring comes along, then it will all fade away.

Matter of fact. That seems to be happening right now. We are talking more about it than Trump and Pence.

 

If you're talking about the Washington swamp/Business as usual, I agree. If you are implying that it'd be any different under Hillary et al, I disagree. Which is it?

 

Place kinetic weapons platforms in space and you threaten MAD. We won’t like other countries response to that.

 

Satellites don’t have excess space/mass. They are designed to be just big enough for whatever their mission is.

So there is no way to clandestinely hide a multimegaton nuclear warhead on one without people figuring it out very quickly.

 

The USAAF in 1947 was larger than the entire US Army including the USAAF in 1940.

 

Disagreed. There are super-secret military spy satellites which some people suspect are weapons platforms. The USAF X-37B spent two years in space and it's mission was classified. What do you think it was doing?

https://www.airspacemag.com/space/spaceplane-x-37-180957777/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-space-military-spaceplane-idUSKBN1830PF

 

I guarantee you no intelligence agency or space agency on the planet will agree with your assessment.

 

Great. Your guarantee and $2 can buy me a cup of coffee.

 

You seriously think with all the commercial space agencies and space agencies in countries that don’t like the US, that if the US had weapons satellites in orbit there wouldn’t be pictures of them all over the news?

What has the X-37 been doing? It’s been putting spy satellites in orbit.

 

It's his idea. It's up to his staff to develop the plan.

Someone who knew what they were doing, would have had the broad outline the plan ready at the press conference and handed out briefing books (or their electronic equivilant) at that time. That is the way major initiaves have always been handled by other Presidents. Indeed, it is standard practice in business as well.

It is pretty sad to say the Trump is "staking his legacy" on this. Mainly because he didn't do his homework up front (of course he never does, and the results show that).

I am neither against it or for it. I am sure it won't happen.

But that is a reflection on the stunning general incompetence of the Trump Administration, not on the merits of the idea.

 

Crap, can't you follow your own line of reasoning?

You said: "Surprise requires stealth. There is no stealth in space.... ....there won’t be any surprise attacks from space."

I responded by saying that Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack, by which I mean, if the Japs can launch a surprise attack with 1940's technology, someone in space can launch a surprise attack. The "surprise" lies in the fact that it is unexpected and catches us off guard.

Translation: You are wrong. There CAN be surprise attacks in space. Sure, we may detect it right before it happens but thats not the same as being prepared. Thats what surprise attacks are all about, minimizing response time..

 

It would have to be disguised. Are you claiming "all the commercial space agencies and space agencies in countries that don’t like the US" know exactly what the X-37B was doing? If so, why is it classified?

As for weaponizing space, it's already been done with kinetic weapons. Putting nukes in space just creates more problems. Putting kinetic weapons in space allows one nation to blind another nation so that they can launch nukes from the surface.

 

Good we will need a space station in between Mars and the Moon. We should be alright if we put a lot of bacteria on the Station.

 

What people, space aliens So what if the Satellite merely looks like a large communications satellite? Sort of like a diaper delivery van with a half ton of ammonia Nitrate and a stick of TnT

I take it you're real keen on the concept of covert or disguise