Stabbing at Gay Parade Shows Flaws in Netanyahu's Security for Israelis

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    zbr6 Banned

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    So why aren't you condemning Obama for his Iran nuclear deal?
     
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    Depends on what you mean by tolerant. They do not have to like homosexuality or recognize same sex marriages. But they do have to respect basic human rights of homosexuals, so that homosexuals are not physically attacked or punished for their homosexuality.
     
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    Yeah well the Surpreme Court of the Christian USA just ruled homosexuals in this awesome country were legally able to marry and have all benefits that civil contract and institution affords.
    Those not from my country cannot possibly fathom my reverence. How grateful we are to be free. How much we worship our soldiers. Appreciate our tears when we hear God Bless America or Proud to be an American. Our devotion to one another and country is nothing thevrest of the world could ever understand.
     
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    Perhaps because the alternative is War....or because most of the dissent is coming from people who have not read it and therefore cannot actually know what they are talking about. It may very well, be a "Bad Deal" in many ways, but we probably should read in to find out and weigh it against the alternative.

    I know I would prefer my son didn't have to die in Iran.
     
  5. GeorgiaAmy

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    Huh? I assure you homosexual tolerance was never pontificated from any pulpit. Do you understand what just happened in the US regarding homosexual equality?
     
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    Ain't nobody using nukes today. The US has been in Iran for decades.

    Tell me about Obama's nuclear deal on Iran.
     
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    What I don't grasp about this matter of tolerating gays and their aspiration to get "married" is that they desire something heterosexual and absolutely common, ordinary ... they disappoint me a bit in this ...

    Anyway, starting from the definition [natural] of marriage, I infer that if two individuals of the same gender live together that's not a marriage, that's a "union" ...

    In Italy we are not against gays living together, that's a personal freedom in a democracy [I can live with any adult I want in my home]. So far our legislator hasn't accepted to modify the conception of marriage, so that gays will probably be allowed to make "civil unions", not marriages.

    If a "car" is a vehicle with wheels and an engine, we cannot say that a boat is a car, simply because of "social freedom and equality". I want to call that boat "car", I cannot? This is an attack to my constitutionally granted personal freedom!!!
     
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    Jewish tyranny? He did not just day that, right?
    I am very fine doing to Muslims what Germans did to Jews.
     
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    1) I do not know any better than you what this deal entails in detail.
    2) One does not need "Nukes" to die in war.
    3) Please provide even minimal evidence of U.S military presence in Iran.
    4) Would you trade a family members life for your political stance?
     
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    In America marriage is a civil and legal contract that entails certain things.
     
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    No he flat out said:

    "all civilized country should in no way support, cooperate, support arms or condone these countries."

    We're supporting the development of Iran's nuclear weapons program.

    We're cooperating with Iran as it develops its nuclear weapons program.

    We're likely going to be supporting Iran with arms if Israel attempts to destroy their nuclear weapons program, according to Kerry.

    We're condoning Iran's efforts to develop a nuclear weapons program despite the fact they're a terrorist nation who beheads gays.

    The option of war is a different conversation entirely but I hate to break it to you war is coming one way or another.

    I'd like people not to die either, but they're going to.

    If the US doesn't stop Iran Israel is going to have to which means a war we're involved in.

    If Iran attacks Israel that means a war we'll be involved in.

    If Iran funnels nuclear materials to terrorist cells that cause mass destruction that's a war we're be involved in.

    War is coming.
     
  12. tecoyah

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    How is an agreement that limits and removes much of their nuclear weapons program Condoning" it? Neither of us actually know or have read the details, but it would seem you have taken talking point simplicity as knowledge of the agreement. When we consider that congress is currently reading and debating this agreement, it may be wise to await the results and what is released before making judgement based on a lack of data.
     
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    Nobody is gonna nuke anybody today because they will nuke back. The Japanese that survived Nagasaki and Hiroshima were affected by radiation for the remainder of their lives. They had offspring and disease affected by radiation. The areas were contaminated for decades.
    No, nukes are definitely not necessary to die in war. Google casualties in WW1, WWII, the Civil War, Revolutionary War. We have seen nothing close to casualties in war post nuclear weapons.
    The US is in Iran. Do with that fact what you will.
    I love my country. I love my kids. I DO NOT have a military background at all. I think today warfare is not picking up a musket or dropping a bomb...Survivor rules...outplay, outsmart, outlast.
     
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    Haha. The US will always support Israel. Our politicians may advise or pressure Israel, but if Israel blew up the entire mid east and was an enemy of every surviving country, the US will side with Israel and always have it's back.
     
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    I am left to make assumptions due to the fact you would not answer my questions or provide the data requested. I do not believe the United States has a military or even a large corporate presence in Iran and as you simply say there is with nothing to back up the opinion it is dismissed. Everybody loves their kids, the question was rhetorical and can be answered without actually being in the position...so again:

    IF you had a child in the military...would you be okay voting to send him into warfare, knowing there is a risk you would be folding up the flag on his casket? Does your opinion of an agreement you cannot yet even look at make said risk worthwhile?
     
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    Sure, the gay mafia bullied their way in.
     
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    I'm not in a military family but you do understand what their point is? If your son joined the military he would be fighting, unless he's just a tech somewhere and never sees a battle zone. To go into the military then be upset at the idea of fighting or dying, makes absolutely no sense. It's one of the reason people who go should be respected. They're willing to put their life on the line for YOU.
     
  18. GeorgiaAmy

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    I thought I explained... In the US there are few rogue soldiers. There are military families. My family is not a military family. We are band geeks and Star Wars buffs. No chance any child of mine could survive basic training. We are the computer hackers planning our biological attack.
     
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    Yeah, all that girl on girl porn being shoved down our throats... No wonder!!!
     
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    Ideally, in marriage contracts and other rights, equality is an admirable goal, but there are, inevitably, radicals who are vehemently resistant.

    The extremists in all three are not particularly tolerant of one another either, but it's still preferable if the fanatics do not stab one another. The Golden Rule is an ethical maxim common to the religious traditions.
     
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    Apparently you missed the point of the questions. I fully understand the Idea behind voluntary Military service, but that does not mean we put our soldiers at unnecessary risk based on poor data and imagined scenarios. The question was relatively simple...Would you risk the lives of our soldiers because you think the Iran agreement in a "Bad Deal"?
     
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    As it has become obvious that you have no intention of answering questions asked of you...I believe we are done here.

    Thanks.
     
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    I think I am going to start rating the severity of stoopit. You get a 9.5.
    That's enough stupid to suffocate at least 3 Muslims.
     
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    Please, let's try again. Ask me any question I can answer yes ir no to and I will honestly reply.
     
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    No. I think American politicians do not oversee our soldiers responsibly.
    I love my military, my soldiers, but I'd never want my kid to be one.
    I believe American politicians occupy and control risking the lives of our troops to accomplish that.
     

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