Stacey Abrams says 'no such thing' as 6-week fetal heartbeat: 'Manufactured sound'

'Abrams claims 'manufactured' heartbeat sound is attempt by men to control women's bodies'

"During an appearance on "The View" last week, host Alyssa Farah Griffin asked Abrams what limitations she would support on abortion access. Abrams responded that a woman should have a right to abortion all the way until birth if her "health or life" is endangered."



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I'll go first. Hey Girl! Your comments deny science.

Stacey Abrams says 'no such thing' as 6-week fetal heartbeat: 'Manufactured sound' | Fox News

 

this is what we should go by

http://www.slate.com/id/2120872/

"a member of President Bush's Council on Bioethics, describes in his book The Ethical Brain, current neurology suggests that a fetus doesn't possess enough neural structure to harbor consciousness until about 26 weeks, when it first seems to react to pain. Before that, the fetal neural structure is about as sophisticated as that of a sea slug and its EEG as flat and unorganized as that of someone brain-dead."

 

Asking MODs to combine my new thread with one started earlier by our friend, Shadow X. Stacey Abrams says 'no such thing' as 6-week fetal heartbeat: 'Manufactured sound' | PoliticalForum.com - Forum for US and Intl Politics

 

What does she know about anything?

 

Let's pretend you actually read what she said instead of your making excuses for her complete buffoonery.

 

There can't be a fetal heartbeat because we can't even really tell if a ZEF is human until some point after it's born. That's science, as I have been informed. I mean, seriously, how can anyone tell just by a heartbeat that a prenatal entity is human? What if it's a chicken or an alarm clock? Those sounds can easily be confused with a heartbeat.

 

Abrams is right, there is no "fetal heartbeat" at 6 weeks.
Why listen to the medical profession when such an unmedical sensational slogan that fools fall for worked?

The Texas 'heartbeat ban' isn't medically accurate because there's no heart that early in pregnancy, providers say
Anna Medaris
May 27, 2021, 3:00 PM

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"She said at that point, the embryo is a quarter-inch long. "It's barely noticeable on ultrasound, we often have to use transvaginal ultrasound to be able to see it at all," she said.


What's really happening is 'cardiac motion' from cells that will become the heart
The so-called "heartbeat" that's detected at six weeks isn't a heart nor is it beating. "There's electrical activity within cells that will become a heart, and we see that on an ultrasound machine as a flickering that can be audible through the machine," Kumar said. "We refer to that as cardiac motion."




https://www.insider.com/heartbeat-bans-6-weeks-when-do-pregnancies-have-heartbeat-2021-5

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Hey now, you might get called a racist for writing the above comment.

 

LMAO, almost pee'd my pants. If there is no fetal heartbeat at six weeks, please explain to the class at what point the fetus grows a beating heart.

 

I would not be the first time.

 

Weird how come no other parts of the mass of cells is “beating”? Wouldn’t be because that’s it’s heart early in formation would it?

https://youtube.com/shorts/zfuBm_FjTzM?feature=share

 

You're comparing something with the potential to exist with something that actually exists. The mind is not gone unless they're braindead. It's not similar at all other than not currently being aware. Both a sleeping person and a cell are unaware, but that doesn't mean they're the same with respect to a mind.

 

I didn't defend her. I just said the right shouldn't be casting stones since they do ridiculous things like write laws based upon the heartbeat.

 

That would be a mistake. They do happen.

 

‘FACT’ CHECKER GLENN KESSLER CLAIMS FETAL HEARTBEAT IS A ‘MISNOMER,’ INSTANTLY REGRETS GETTING OUT OF BED TODAY:

'Glenn Kessler, the Washington Post’s intrepid “fact” checker, must have been salivating over his plan to “own the cons” when he retweeted Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams’ claim that “there’s no such thing as a heartbeat at six weeks.” Abrams (D-Tinfoil Hat) claimed that a fetal heartbeat is just a Grand Plot by men to “take control of a woman’s body.”'

'Kessler weighed in with, “FWIW, ‘fetal heartbeat’ is a misnomer. The ultrasound picks up electrical activity generated by an embryo.”'

Kessler is an idiot trafficking in disinformation. 'Radiologist Pradheep J. Shanker quickly pointed out that Kessler has no idea what he is talking about: Ultrasound can't detect electrical activity. Who told you otherwise?' kessler fell silent.

“The so-called ‘heartbeat’ sound you hear is created by the ultrasound,” he added. “Not until 10 weeks can the opening and closing of cardiac valves be detected by a Doppler machine.”

More moronic misinformation being peddled by liars to justify slaughtering babies. The facts are: “Ultrasound only detects density and motion. It cannot detect any electrical activity at all. This is a scientific fact,” Shanker declared. “It is true that the valves in the heart develop later. However, the cardiac muscles that are located in the embryological heart are contracting. They are in fact moving inward and outward. That is how you define a beat.”

'Apparently, a memo went out on the Left this week with the new pro-abortion talking point to justify the murder of unborn children. Dr. Stacey Abrams, M.D., and Kessler wasted no time running to Twitter to shout the New Abortion Narrative.'

'A fetal heartbeat isn’t the same as a fully developed adult heartbeat but“the cardiac tissue is contracting, which is literally what a beat is. To say otherwise is scientific misinformation, and cannot be treated otherwise.”

Stacey Abrams: "There is no such thing as a heartbeat at 6 weeks"
NIH: Weeks 6-7: "Baby's heart continues to grow and now beats at a regular rhythm."

 

The point is life is irrelevant. Nobody is "pro-life" in the sense you just alluded to. Everybody eats living things - it's only a particular kind of life that's sacred. Life with a mind. Perhaps only human life with a mind if you're not vegetarian.

 

There is no confusion as to when a fetal heart starts to beat. It isn't when she says it begins. Aside from her sexism aimed toward pro-life, conservative men, she's basically an idiot when it comes to science.

 

Whole lot of BS to wade through but I'll go point by point when they seem to make one:

". Second, while all the evidence suggests that surgeons performing therapeutic fetal interventions routinely consider pain relief for the fetus"

Not given what they presented in the paragraphs above it. Giving anesthetic does not mean they are considering pain, necessarily, it could be, and is, that they are trying to avoid the body producing harmful stress hormones which do not require an actual experience of pain.

"Several papers have now been published suggesting that the necessity of the cortex for pain experience may have been overstated.26–29 One study has, for example, demonstrated continued pain experience in a patient with extensive damage to cortical regions generally believed to be necessary for pain experience"

This is called neuroplasticity. Neuroplasticity means the nervous system can be rewired and repurposed for the purpose of regaining a lost function. This has nothing to do with normal development or consciousness.

"A further study has demonstrated activation of areas generally thought to generate pain in subjects congenitally insensitive to pain but receiving noxious stimuli."

Irrelevant to having consciousness, which is required to experience pain in a meaningful sense.

"While certainly not definitive, those two studies appear to neatly dissociate pain experience from the cortex."

No they don't except in the sense that a damaged brain can be rewired. But it doesn't matter since the point is that pain cannot exist without a functioning mind. A mind isn't active without resonance between the cortex (or precursor structure) and thalamus or brainstem.

"Recent work with ferrets has demonstrated that auditory stimuli trigger neural activity in the subplate that is topographically highly similar to the activity observed in the more mature auditory cortex."

Ferrets? Really. Okay let's assume ferret minds are comparable. This study shows NOTHING about a conscious experience of sound. From the study: "While our results show that early sensory stimuli activate cortical circuits in a primary sensory area, it is unclear if higher order areas respond as well. While our studies did not address this issue, the delayed maturation of intracortical circuits (53) suggests that this is unlikely." So it's not relevant.

Okay, I'm out of time for now. I think the article/review was really stupid after there, but I'll try to address more later.

 

Okay. Doesn't really support the pro-life position though.

 

Why would that matter? The subject of the thread is Stacey Abraham's failed attempt to malign conservative pro-life men because she doesn't understand science, the fetal doppler heartbeat. The heartbeat is not a sound manufactured by men to oppress women.

 

I’m not pro-life I’m anti abortion as a form of birth control

 

Yep

 

The baby in the womb, the human being IS EXISTING. It is alive and existing as every human being who has ever existed existed at that stage of their life which began at their conception. Biology 101. It is made up of millions of specialized cells organized into organs and tissues all functioning together as a human being.

 

So now Planned Parenthood which is supposed to be such a wonderful medical provider to women relies on the distinguished Doctor of Embryology Stacy Abrams for their medical advice?

A specious statement, a red herring. It is as fully formed as human hearts are at the stage of a human's life. It is a regulator of the life from it's first beat. It is the earliest stage of a human heart. It is a part that will exist until the human being dies for it is the spark of that life from that moment on. The question is will that end be at the hand of the mother and doctor because the mother doesn't want the baby to live or due to some other tragedy later or by simply by natural causes after a full life.