Stalin’s popularity in Russia triples since 1990

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  1. vis

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    I also talk about whole population. If it is difficult for you to understand- make a simple math. Plot a graph of the population in Ukraine around 1930s for 20 years and find the dip in the graph. I did not find one. It would certainly be the case if 15% of the population died.
     
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    You have a very narrow view on the activity of Stalin.
     
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    And I quote Yamamoto and pearl Harbor "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve"
     
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    This is a messed up thing for sure ... somewhat similar to the Ronald Reagan phenomenon. Selective ignorance of history.
     
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    "Television - the drug of the nation, brainwashing our youth and feeding radiation"

     
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    Plot a graph? Who did the graphing in the 20s and 30s, certainly no ukranian authorities, it was done by Soviet govt at the time? Yes, I'm assuming anything from Soviets/NKVD is factual?
     
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    And landing on the moon was the finishing line for what exactly? The great stupid race?
    Grats on your achievement but other than crippling their children debt, what did they win?

    Your flag is on the moon. Helpful place for it.

    Russians won the space race. Americans are their passengers.
    Embarrassing for the master race. No?
     
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    At the battles of Moscow and Kursk. 10-15% made the difference.
    How much support did Russia send in return?

    Oh yes. None.

    When then UK was at war with Hitler, where was Russia? Oh yes. Sitting on arse.

    The US helped you, for nothing in return, in your darkest hour. You are ungrateful. That is all.
    During the fall of the Soviet Union, they did it again. Sent you food.
    You are ungrateful. That is all.

    No one can trust Russia when acts of sacrifice and kindness towards them go without recognition. No honour. Seal yourself back off from the world.
    Go hang out on line with North Koreans.
     
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    You do not need to take the data from Soviet sources about population in Ukraine, take it from the modern one and analyse, and not beleive to any number they tell you.
     
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    In 1941 and Moscow battle Soviets did not get support from lend lease. The real lend lease support came in 1942 and later. What kind of support in return are you talking about? US did not take part in the war in Europe until 1944. USSR supported US in return when the war in Europe was finished and they moved the troops to the far East for war with Japan. The question is not about gratefulness or not gratefulness here. It is a question of the estimation of the contribution of each country to the defeat of fascism. And, of course, everyone in Russia and in the USSR acknowleged the support from the US and the UK.
    Stalin at the time told Roosvelt and Churchille that it would be hard to stay without the help from the allies.
    As far as war between Germany and the UK is concerned, USSR had a peace treaty with Germany, and the UK did not have any agreements with the USSR, therefore, it is strange to talk about help to the UK at that time.
     
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    Great post, but do you think it's Kobo's achievement ? Or Marc
    VIS is a strange man, I have feeling that he is locked in prison , with only outdated sovok- stalinist books around, with nothing else ..
     
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    Russians won the race? As in how? We're their passengers? Our probes are on Mars, where's the russian ones, still on the drawing board?
     
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    You should read something rather than just watch tv and the movies.
     
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    There was little or no American help. Some deliveries of war materiel by sea, same as for Britain.
     
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    I read quite a bit, especially about WW2 as it was the most significant span of world history in the last 500 years.
     
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    Give some titles and authors then.

    You don't seem to know how to demonstrate proof.

    I gave you The Navy League and their regularly published and updated book "Sea Power".

    If you look on page 288 in it you can read this:

    "... when Adm. Yamamoto proposed a simultaneous attack on Pearl Harbor they were startled. He insisted that the destruction of the US Pacific Fleet was an essential prerequisite ... . Only by threatening to resign was he able to force acceptance of his plan ... ."

    Now you need to cough up an equivalent citation from your many readings (as you claim) or else shut up.
     
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    Stalin's popularity in the Democrat Party triples since 2009.


    I'm starting to see a pattern.
     
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    Yes, the plan to attack Pearl Harbor was his. I haven't said anything different.

    My point is that Yamamoto did not want war with the US at all. Once he got his orders from Tojo to plan an attack on the U.S., he did exactly that.
     
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    I told you what to do Marine.

    Now do it or shut up.

    Semper Fi.
     
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    Of course, you are the passengers as lots of your space crafts use Russian engines :grin: You did not know that?
     
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    Litwin, you have a wrong feeling. :grin:
     
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    Russia has excellent engineers. If they continue to improve quality they will own the industry.
     
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    great post, but no. Hitler had luck with timing and was great speech maker , his ideology is very simple , extreme romantic - nationalism mixed with Muscovite The Protocols of the Elders of Zion .



    Koba was a typical Georgian Thief_in_law, in 1998 , 80% of all Thief_in_law in Muscovy were Georgians, and today more then 55% of them Georgians. Georgians have a specially mindset, mentality very close to Sicilians (but defiantly less violent) . much like all Thief_in_law, played judge role , and it worked for him well. Politburo and nomenclature were the criminals by themselves, so its not surprise that koba ended up on the top - of Bolshevik food-chain.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thief_in_law

    here some Georgian Thief_in_law, you can see a lot of similarities with Koba



     
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    Of course, it was, and it was appreciated by people in USSR. Although it could be more help provided.
     

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