Stephen Hawking: Brains Could Be Copied To Computers To Allow Life After Death

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  1. Burzmali

    Burzmali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What evidence? Some folks under hypnosis, including at least one instance of someone who was clearly inventing things subconsciously or being manipulated (intentionally or not) by Wambach?
     
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    Even without studies, even a normally intelligent human should realize that a PC is nothing more than a series of prefabricated codes, so not only it hasn't a personality, but it completely lacks intelligence, since it only follows predetermined paths. But most of all, a PC doens't have any bond with reality, it doesn't perceive external imputs like hearing, smelling and other perceptions outside that of mouse and keyboard. It hasn't the ability to adapt to different situations, it doesn't think by itself but only according to internal mechanisms, which are programmed by humans, without us there wouldn't even be any PC, remember this too...
     
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    The goddists just hate it that they dont have a single intellectual of any stature on their side.

    Not a single datum point either, just a talking snake book.

    One of their heros..a guy with an actual Ph D!

    Dr Kurt Wsie...Although there are scientific reasons for accepting a young earth, I am a young-age creationist because that is my understanding of the Scripture

    The first half is a shameless lie, the second would do as a defintion of intellectual dishonesty.
     
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    Amazing how gullible people can be when they want to believe something.
    Its how cons can be so successful.
     
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    Obviously he is utterly clueless about what constitutes human life.
     
  6. Lil Mike

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    I think this idea makes it easier to dismiss an immortal soul as nonsense if you think you are basically going to get a digital immortal soul.

    It's religion repackaged as pseudo science. They don't call Transhumanism the "rapture of the nerds" for nothing.
     
  7. Lil Mike

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    I think it goes without saying that a copy of your mind... is still a copy. You still die at the end.

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    I don't see anything wrong with picking out the traits for your children. We do that anyway when we pick our spouses. This just lets us be a little more exacting at it.
     
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    The issue is we may get to a point in genetic engineering where you could make a human... not human anymore. Also, the rich being able to pay to make all their kids geniuses will cause the social gap to widen even more than it already is. Not to mention what happens if one of these super intellects who is engineered to live past 200 becomes a dictator. When stuff like that happens, its going to change class dynamics, war, and pretty much every aspect of society. And not for the better imo.
     
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    Yes, it's amazing how the secularists in society reject religion (Christianity mostly) but find so many other ways to extoll the idea of transcendence anyway.
     
  10. taikoo

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    Everyone in their own ways needs and looks for some sort of transcendence.
    What is amazing is that so many people think they have the market cornered with their
    chosen means.
     
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    lol, did you read your link?

    Dont believe everything you read on the internet.
     
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    I too find transhumanist fantasies about uploading human minds into a computer extremely optimistic, tu put it lightly, but at least it is possible in theory and does not necessarily need any supernatural forces.
     
  13. Lil Mike

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    Well we still don't know how to define human. Would a Neandertal be a human being legally? We're still arguing about when a fetus becomes human. So that's an old argument.

    I'm not dismissing your concerns; I think they are real issues that we're going to have to work through. But the technology is going there, ready or not. It's not like you can just make a decision that we're not going to allow genetic engineering and leave it at that. I don't think the Chinese, for example, have our eugenics hand ups. They'll start making geniuses as soon as it's technologically doable.

    The class divide issue is interesting because we already have that. Doctors no longer marry nurses and Lawyers not longer marry secretaries. Doctors marry Doctors and Lawyers marry Lawyers. So we already have assortive mating going on already. We'll just have to come up with solutions because I see no feasible way to stop science in it's tracks.
     
  14. Lil Mike

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    I think religion is hardwired into us, so if your not choosing one of the traditional religions, you are still choosing something, even if you don't think you are choosing.
     
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    People are starting to keep a lot of their memory on smart phones and computer hard drives. Recent experimentation has been successful at being able to control a computer with brain waves. We are already uploading brain information. In the future, I see everyone having their own external 'brain' that automatically catalogs experiences, important memories, etc. day in day out until death.
     
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    He hasn't had a human life in quite some time. Cut him some slack.
     
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    I think you are right (pssst...don't let the atheists know).
     
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    If you guys can choose what to believe, and then convince yourself that you really do believe it, where does it end? can you believe in batboy too?

    Self deception is a deficiency, not an asset.
     
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    I keep hoping atheist groups will start 'tithing' to researchers involved in anything to do with immortality or longevity research (except the ones corrupted by war interests or corporate profit goals).

    We need publicly funded research, but since our idiot 'rulers' are too busy allocating funds to more clever means of blowing each other up in their capitalist war games, useful research might require charitable funding.
     
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    Well, we can't just make assumptions regarding a yet undeveloped field of research. We should let the neurobiologists have their say about how a brain works.

    I mean we have a brain but it isn't a single organ, no that's just for naming convenience, the human brain is a multi-faced organ with two hemispheres, a cross bridge, several lobes, an under brain, a brain stem...

    Why, the brain is a fascinating and detailed contraption. And it all works together as one.
     
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    I hope it's NEVER accomplished, cause the rich would be living forever, and become even more horrific than they already are (in many cases)
     
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    It wouldn't be ME living forever. It'd be a copy of me. Which is nice, I guess for anyone that wants to have a conversation with me long after I'm dead for whatever reason. But it doesn't really help me much.

    This is also the same reason I will never ever step foot in a teleporter. It rips apart my molecules and rebuilds them elsewhere. I died when I was ripped apart. It's just a copy of me on the other end.
     
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    You want the government to pay for research into "immorality?" Not to mention atheist groups. Why should the state support your religious beliefs? And yes, they are very much religious beliefs! I guess you weren't the exception.

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    At least Dr McCoy had the good sense to recognize that he was killing himself each time he stepped into the transporter.
     
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    Think of how bad people are to each other over the internet, just imagine when people are the internet!
     
  25. BethanyQuartz

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    The government has long funded useful research. Their error is in making the fruits of that research available for corporate profit instead of ensuring it is only available to the public, for the public good, and to the people of other nations, either in trade for our (over) consumption of resources or out of a pure desire to assist our fellow human beings.

    But part of the reason I encourage atheists to fund this research is disgust with and distrust for our public funding which inevitably focuses on weapon research and private profit.
     

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