Stop the "Climate Change is Real" brow beating

To the alarmists posting

Solutions
1. Install carbon dioxide scrubbers on coal plants? Yes or no. Do you advocate tax dollars paying for them? Yes or no
2. Forcing you to pay a tax?
3. Tax dollars go for huge scrubbers to cut down nationally on carbon dioxide? What are you willing to pay? Do the poor pay?

 

Hmm, no acceleration for as long as tide gauges have been used. Go figure. It is funny how people think that sea level rise is 'unprecedented' during a warm interglacial where all of the huge glaciers melted uncovering places like New York that was under a mile thick sheet. We also recently (in geological terms) came out of the little ice age so expect sea levels to rise.

Also Florida is sinking at 0.53mm a year accounting for 1/5th of it's alleged rise.



Also weather is not getting worse as claimed by the alarmists.

 

I have *never* said that. I posted my data on here at the very start of the thread!

I have always said nothing more than that the number of extremely hot days are going down while the mean is going up. The only way for both of those to happen is to have more warm days, i.e. a longer growing season.

I check my temperatures against those put out by the measurement device at the Forbes AFB in Topeka, KS. It's the same device the Air National Guard stationed there uses. I also check humidity and wind speed as well.

There's no bias in my readings.

Why then does it continue to go down? I've lived in the middle of soybean and corn fields for 32 years. It's no different today than it was in 2012. I live in a rural area on a dead end road and there isn't any "urban" bias here at all.

Which is *exactly* what I've been saying on here from the start.

I do have dewpoint but I believe that is just a calculated value based on the temperature and the humidity.

Here is what my humidity data looks like (I don't know what happened to the data points between about 40K and 62K. I'll have to see if I can figure out what happened).



If you look closely, there isn't much variation in the humidity readings from year to year to year. So I don't think humidity has much to do with my temperature readings showing what they do. My humidity gauge *does* have a built-in bias at high values of humidity. I've never seen it get to 100% and readings of 95% or better are rare. It's like the scale gets compressed after 85%. But it is still useful as a relative measurement from year to year and season to season.

Wow! Someone that understands integration! You are rather unique on the PF forum! I don't doubt any of what you say. I do have a problem with the solutions proposed by the AGW religionists.[/quote]

 

I doubt if you will get an answer from the trolls on here.

 

"Sea-level rise has only exacerbated the effects of coastal flooding in South Florida"

Florida has been sinking for literally decades as water is drawn from the ground to handle a growing population. This allows the soil to compress which is seen on the surface as land subsidence.

And I'll repeat - ask me if I am concerned about some Miami Beach millionaires losing their million dollar mansions!

 

that supports my argument, sea-level is rising

 

you don't seem to be familiar with how 'cap and trade' successfully abated acid-rain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_Rain_Program

 

And the land is subsiding. Florida is going to have to do something whether global warming is true or not.

 

Wow, all that over a tiny deal? I mean the rise of the sea is so tiny it is difficult to discuss in rational terms.

 

When did the topic change to acid rain?

i don't have time this moment to study all facets of acid rain nor look up research to find out what caused x or y and what the cost was. I suspect what took place is coal plants simply shut down.

 

the primary issue in the miami area is sea rise

east of there, the swamps are subsiding, not miami

"Miami Beach official say the Daily Caller's "Miami Beach is sinking" conspiracy theory is completely inaccurate."

"The crux of the entire piece also rests on a government study on 'land subsidence' in the Everglades ecosystem — the writer somehow includes the paved, condominium-covered cities of Miami and Miami Beach within that ecosystem, which is so incorrect it borders on outright fabrication."

"According to a United States Geological Survey study, the land within the Everglades actually does appear to be "subsiding," due to too much development sucking water out of the soil, thus leading to collapse. But the study does not, in any way, imply that any of South Florida's coastal cities are sinking into the sea."

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/s...st-sinking-because-of-too-many-condos-8594225

 

i showed you how environmental problems have been successfully abated

the same sort of worldwide response is underway for global warming

despite trump, nicaragua and syria's refusal to participate

in the paris climate agreement this time

it's costing millions

 

The idea that subsidence can't exist at the same time as ocean levels increasing is typical Denier nonsense

 

go here: /water.usgs.gov/ogw/pubs/fs00165/

Look carefully at the southern tip of Florida. Where Miami Beach is. Far from the Everglades.

 

Tell it to your fellow AGW religionist, dujac!

 

what a surprise, the link doesn't work

this says subsidence velocities are quite low

and are mainly in reclaimed land located along the western side

http://www.ces.fau.edu/arctic-florida/pdfs/fiaschi-wdowinski.pdf

 

The fact remains that the mentality among the vast majority of Republicans is money before everything else. They want to protect oil, coal and other polluters who donate to their campaigns and do not care what happens as a result. Maybe if it was their kids dying from toxic water from fracking, they would care, but it's not, and they can use tax money to buy purified bottled water for themselves and their families, like the mayor of Flint, MI does. So they don't care.

 

You really aren't very internet literate are you? Remove the leading slash from the URL. I copied a leading slash by mistake!

The article says:"Although the detected subsidence velocites are quite low, their effect on the flooding hazard is significant, because houses originally built on higher ground have subsided since the city was built, about 80 years ago, by 16-24 cm down to flooding hazard zones."

16-24cm is SIGNIFICANT!

And you missed the whole point! If the sea level rise stopped tomorrow Miami Beach would *still* disappear into the sea sooner or later. Thus MB *must* do something regardless of global warming. All the SLR does is advance the timeline!

 

you're projecting your own situation

learn how to post a working link

 

I know enough to remove a leading slash in a URL. Apparently you don't. Heal thyself, physician!

 

i removed the slash and saw the article, there's nothing in it about miami

really, learn how to make a valid argument with the appropriate info and link

 

You simply can't even read an article and understand it, can you?



"The sudden and sometimes catastrophic subsidence associated with localized collapse of subsurface cavities (sinkholes) (fig. is detailed in two case studies. This type of subsidence is commonly triggered by ground-water-level declines caused by pumping and by enhanced percolation of ground water. Collapse features tend to be associated with specific rock types, such as evaporites (salt, gypsum, and anhydrite) and carbonates (limestone and dolomite) (fig. 9). These rocks are susceptible to dissolution in water and the formation of cavities Salt and gypsum are much more soluble than limestone, the rock type most often associated with catastrophic sinkhole formation."

Now look at the southern tip of Florida. What is it made up of - evaporite rocks (salt and gypsum) and karst from carbonate rock.

Now tell me again how land subsidence is not an issue in Southern Florida, including Miami Beach.

Middle-school students are taught how to read information like this and use it in presentations.

 

So let's recap:

upside has told us

He doesn't understand how the North Atlantic Conveyor (Gulf Stream) works

He doesn't understand that the upper atmosphere is subject to different forces than the lower atmosphere

That water vapor on it's own (while being a greenhouse gas) can't be a positive feedback loop with out CO2 forcing (adding to it's effect) because of that crazy unexplained phenomenon called "rain"

And what now??

Oh yea...rising sea levels CAN'T be happening because in some places there is subsidence. .... oh....

 

There are castles around the world that were built by the water so they could be resupplied by ships. Those castles depending on where they are, are 1 to 3 miles inland so the oceans have some catching up to do.

 

i read the page, there's no mention of miami

here's what you posted: /water.usgs.gov/ogw/pubs/fs00165/

here's the correct link: https://water.usgs.gov/ogw/pubs/fs00165/

miami is not mentioned at all, on the page at that link