Stop the "Climate Change is Real" brow beating

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i am on her list to mail to and there are so many who do not accept human caused warming the list is growing daily.

    i presented a great video done by a former NASA engineer where he conclusively proved humans can't be doing this.

    Take the globe population. It is not realized in general, but one can actually give all the global population living space in TX and they will be less cramped than those living in NY City.

    Here is the aim of the alarmists.

    They want essentially a one size fits all government. If they get global governance using climate, they have made vast strides in the ultimate rule over humans. They want to rule the entire planet.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Watch this video to help get this noise over AGW. We never deny climate changes.

     
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    We know that's their goal, they even admitted that they want "social economic change" disguised as AGW. And the cult continues to be sheep.

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    Even Judith Curry acknowledges that the Earth is warming and that humans are at least partly responsible.
     
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    dujac Well-Known Member

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    i've known what peer-reviewed literature is, for decades


    relevant climate scientist - someone who is actively studying climate science, publishing findings and responding to criticism from qualified peers

    irrelevant climate scientist - a scientist who takes money from big-energy interests and parrots lies about agw

    for example, patrick moore says humans aren't responsible for global warming

    what moore says is false, this is old news:

    "There are human fingerprints on carbon overload. When humans burn coal, oil and gas (fossil fuels) to generate electricity or drive our cars, carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere, where it traps heat. A carbon molecule that comes from fossil fuels and deforestation is “lighter” than the combined signal of those from other sources. As scientists measure the “weight” of carbon in the atmosphere over time they see a clear increase in the lighter molecules from fossil fuel and deforestation sources that correspond closely to the known trend in emissions."

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    http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warmin...uman-contribution-to-gw-faq.html#.WW5znlPyv5Y
     
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    So you are unable to provide objective criteria.

    Dr. Moore has impeccable scientific credentials and is well respected in the scientific community.

    Patrick Moore, B.Sc. (Hons) Forest Biology, University of British Columbia (1969); Ph.D. Ecology, Institute of Resource Ecology, University of British Columbia (1974); Ford Foundation Fellowship (1969-1972); Vice-President, Pacific Salmon Society (1969-1972); Director, Western Canada Chapter, Sierra Club (1971-1973); Co-Founder, Greenpeace (1971-1986); Member, Board of Directors, British Columbia Salmon Farmers Association (1984-1991); Founder and President, Quatsino Seafarms Ltd. (1984-1991); President, British Columbia Salmon Farmers Association (1986-1989); Member, Board of Directors, British Columbia Aquaculture Research and Development Association (1990-1993); Member, Aquaculture Advisory Council, British Columbia Minister of Agriculture and Fisheries (1990-1993); Founder and Chairman, British Columbia, Carbon Project (1990-1994); Appointment, British Columbia Round Table on the Environment and the Economy (1990-1994); Member, Power Generation Working Group, Greater Vancouver Regional District (1992); Member, Economic Development and Environment Committee, Vancouver Board of Trade (1992-1994); Director, Architectural Institute of British Columbia (1995-1996); Director and Vice-President, Environment and Government Affairs, Waterfurnace International (1995-1999 ); Honorary Doctorate of Sciences, North Carolina State University (2005); Founding Co-Chair, Clean and Safe Energy Coalition (2006-2013); National Award of Nuclear Science and History, National Atomic Museum Foundation (2009); Speaks Truth To Power Award, EarthFree Institute (2014); Member, Board of Directors, Forest Alliance of British Columbia (1991-Present); Co-Founder and Chief Scientist, Greenspirit (1991-Present); Chair, Ecology, Energy, and Prosperity Program, Frontier Centre for Public Policy (2014-Present)


     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Suppose I lay the blame on ants. Yes, that is correct, ANTS. Do you know the combined weight of ants equals the weight of all humans?
     
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    irrelevant climate scientist - a scientist who takes money from big-energy interests and parrots lies about agw

    You do know that fossil fuel funds Universities right? You do know fossil fuel was against Trump pulling out of the Paris accord right?


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    Not aware of what a solar scientist is eh? Not surprised. Clue: they study the sun.
     
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    do you not understand how peer reviews work?

    acceptable work gets accepted by many

    trivial, unacceptable objections don't fly unsupported

    curry's points are weak and don't pass muster

     
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    We are entering into a minimum that is supposed to peek around 2020. The earth reacts about 10-15 years later than solar activity changes though no one know why.

    The USCRN which was installed about 10 or more years ago as a better system for measuring temperatures in the US has shown a continuous decline in temperature since put on line.
     
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    Yet once again her peers like Jim Hansen and Michael Mann call her a denier why is that? Why did she have to leave her Universitie job?






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    i know that universities aren't climate scientists


    so what? big-oil pays lobbyists to lie about agw, just like big-tobacco did by denying smoking is addictive


     
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    Trying to spin it some more? Judith don't buy the propaganda game...






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    Ah, another false activist meme. If you had any curiosity you would look beyond the propaganda video you posted and find out the truth.
     
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    You are trying to compare tobbaco to fossil fuel? Lmfao you do know 2nd hand smoke was a huge myth right?
    Just like the Grubber/ Obama care lie, it doesn't matter how you do it as long as you get the results you want .


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...link-between-secondhand-smoke-and-cancer/amp/



     
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    Solar Activity.
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    Former NASA climate expert speaks.

     
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    Well, I'm not a climate specialist either. Which is why I keep asking for comments on the science presented by John Christy, who actually is a climatologist who is doing the science. If you see errors in the information he's presenting, I'm all ears. If you don't want to refute his science, but would prefer to argue that 97% of scientists disagree with him, I'd remind you that several hundred years ago, you could have made the same argument about the world being flat. Science isn't a popularity contest.
     
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    i'm showing how big-oil and big-tobacco use the same lobbyists/strategy, casting doubt on confirmed science

    for example:

    "The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public policy think tank founded in 1984 and based in Arlington Heights, Illinois, in the northwest suburbs of Chicago. The Institute conducts work on issues including education reform, government spending, taxation, healthcare, education, tobacco policy, global warming, hydraulic fracturing, information technology, and free-market environmentalism.

    In the 1990s, the Heartland Institute worked with the tobacco company Philip Morris to question or deny the health risks of secondhand smoke and to lobby against smoking bans. In the decade after 2000, the Heartland Institute became a leading supporter of climate change denial. It rejects the scientific consensus on global warming and says that policies to fight it would be damaging to the economy."

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...hange-deniers-regroup-vow-to-keep-doubt-alive

     
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    So, still no evidence of your previous claim. Check.
     
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    much of christy’s contrarian research has not withstood subsequent scientific scrutiny

    "Spencer and Christy’s data set has undergone many major corrections to address various errors and biases. This is how science always progresses, but those who believe that adjustments to surface temperature measurements are part of a conspiracy (including Roy Spencer) always seem to neglect the major adjustments to the satellite data. In fact, in its early days, Spencer and Christy’s data set seemed to indicate the atmosphere was cooling, before a series of big adjustments were made."

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    christy is in bed with big-oil lobbyists

    "The Heartland Institute – the source of the story linked in the above quote by Christy – misrepresented the associated study so badly that the AMS executive director took the unusual step of issuing a public reprimand against their behavior. Studies of climate science experts have again and again found a 97% consensus on human-caused global warming."

    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...erview-with-top-contrarian-climate-scientists



    what a joke, of course you can't refute the facts i posted

    the 'heartland institute' lobbys on behalf of big-oil, tobacco & etc
     
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    They used paid shills to fight the tobacco cancer link and they're using the same tactics and even some of the same people to fight AGW.

    Are ya kidding?

    How can anyone fall for this garbage?
     
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    LOL, what a hoot! Christy is still waiting for his check. Not only that you link to The Guardian and the failed cartoonists alarmist blog, (in)SkepticalScience!
     
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    that's probably right, he's just working for money, not science

     

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