Study: More gun crime and murder in states with more gun owners

Again in perspective, We have over
380,000,000 people living in the U.S.
and lets say 33,000 people die in some fashion, related to firearms,
Of which 2/3 are suicides,
So that leaves 10,000 people that have died of some type of firearms related event,
Since suicides can be effected easily and simply and cheaply without firearms,
Hanging, Deadly Poisons, Jumping in the path of Trains, Busses, or off tall buildings,
Suicides are irrelevant.

So 10,000 deaths a year out of
380,000,000 citizens is quite a low percentage, even lower if you eliminate Deaths related to the failed war on drugs,
Violent Gangs, Mafias, Biker Gangs.

You then realize that most People and legitimate gun owners, licensed gun owners, the distinct majority are not committing any crimes.

It is only by outright deception, and hatred of N.R.A. and twisting of facts and Ignoring the Federal Bureau of Investigations U.C.R. can the Anti Gun Clack ever hope to prove their failed Agenda to ban and further restrictions on firearms that only affect law abiding citizens.

 

Two different things. The effects of inhaled contaminates on the lungs were long known given studies of subjects from coal mining, and other industries having high concentrations of airborne pollutants where removing subjects from those concentrations allieviated symptioms, but more importantly, studies using animals were performed in laboratory where experiments could be performed with control groups, the variables could be managed and the effects observed and measured. I suppose the same thing could be done with mice... have two control groups of mice; one caged with guns and the other gun free.

 

They used a survey administered by the CDC to determine firearm ownership rates. How is that different from what Gallup and Pew do?

What jurisdictions do not report the use of a gun in a crime?

A non sequitur. If big cities drive crime how does that rule out the possibility that state gun ownership rates also affect crime?

Gun availability in a state is affected by gun availability in neighboring states.

It does address the issue. Gun ownership rates predicted later crime rates in the study. An effect does not precede the cause. So it's apparent which factor is the cause and which factor is the effect.

 

So if most all guns are maybe in the rural areas and the crime is in the urban areas, how would that equate to more guns = more crime? I guess with states that have higher levels of firearm ownership, where would those be found?

 

If you really want to know, start making some phone calls, talk to firearms Instructors, gun shop owners, visit ranges, get to know gun owners, in Cities, they are hunters, people of all trades etc....

You would indeed be surprised that gun ownership is not just limited to farmers and ranchers, or cattle folks, concealed carry is a good indicator of the makeup of gun owners.

 

This is a problem you can't do anything about. Move on.

 

All firearm ownership polls are voluntary. Pew and Gallup and others have written about the unreliability of such polls on gun ownership (and on any politically difficult subject). Pew, Gallup, CDC, UN, World Small Arms Survey, all are unreliable.

Read the study, you cited it but didn't even read it.

The correlation between violent crime and city size is 0.8-0.8 depending upon the specific method. That's extremely high.

Rural areas and small towns tend to have high gun ownership, and low crime. Types of guns owned and carried in rural/small town differs from what's in a huge city. A big city in the same state will have very high violent crime, probably more handguns and many fewer long guns than rural/small towns, and different laws and enforcement.

The state level is a poor grouping. There are far too many variations within a state.

Not according to the DOJ. And crime data does not support that claim. You are pushing a gun banner myth.

Gun ownership rates are unknown. Responses to gun ownership polls fluctuate based on the current political attitude because of fear of gun control - that's why during the Clinton years gun ownership seemed to fall.

 

Why are they unreliable?

The study was read (not just the abstract). Your fabrication is dismissed.

All of which does not rule out the possibility of state gun ownership rates being correlated with gun crime and murder. Dismissed.

Provide a link to the DOJ saying such.

The data comes from the Bush years. Dismissed.

 

Is the true name of yourself Galileo? If it is not, there is the answer to the question being presented.

None of which does anything to prove a direct, actual link between legal firearms ownership, and the use of firearms in the commission of criminal offenses. One does not result in, nor lead, to the other.

 

Because people do not participate or they lie on the response. Some gun owners won't participate because they don't want to tell an unknown person about their firearms. Some gun owners will lie and say they don't have any firearms. The net result is the ownership rate of firearms is unreliable.

If you read the study, then why do you ask questions which are answered in the study? The report was short, just a few pages. You obviously did not read it.

See page 5, NIJ report, 4 Jan 2013, Summary of Select Firearm Violence Prevention Strategies.
Supply sources can vary in different parts of the country. An NIJ funded study of the Los Angeles illicit gun market noted: "Results showed that many crime guns were first purchased at local—that is, in county—licensed dealers, rather than from out of state. That is, contrary to the conventional wisdom that crime guns were being trafficked across state borders from places with less stringent regulations, such as Arizona and Nevada, we found that a majority of the guns used in crimes were purchased in Los Angeles County." Thus, gun markets can be highly local.

You dismiss a lot without thinking.

I cited the Clinton years as an example. Do some thinking and reading on the subject. Open your mind.

 

https://medium.com/@bjcampbell/ever...tween-gun-ownership-and-homicide-1108ed400be5

 

It says firearm ownership rates were determined by a survey. How can that be anywhere near accurate? Would convicted felons who own prohibited firearms really admit that in a survey? Either way this is just another junk study that should be reviewed, thrashed, and ignored, as it isn't worth a damn. Not to mention the data 'analyzed' was over a decade old, which completely ignores any shifts in recent crime rates or demographic changes...