Syria: Obama Threatens U.S. Military Intervention

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  1. EvilAztec

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    President Barack Obama on Aug. 18 demanded that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad step down, saying that the Syrian leader’s days are numbered. The governments of Britain, France and Germany joined in this demand. This statement is ablatant imperialist interference in Syria’s internal affairs. Morethan that, it is an open threat to intervene militarily in another country in that region, just as the U.S. and its European allies have done already in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Somalia, with rockets and bombs. It is a threat against the Syrian peopleof something like the last five months of slaughter of the Libyan people.

    Two weeks earlier, on Aug. 5, Russia's envoy to NATODmitry Rogozin told the media that NATO is planning a military campaign against Syria to overthrow the Assadregime. In an interview with Russia's Izvestia daily newspaper, Rogozin said the North Atlantic Treaty Organization is also probably establishing a long-reaching goal of preparing an attack on Iran. (Reported in Xinhua, Aug. 5)

    When U.S. imperialism engages in an attack on any government or movement, as it is now on Syria, it is cowardly to be neutral. It is rank betrayal to stand on the same side as the imperialist octopus, which seeks to dominate the world. This has been an ABC for workers’ movements through 150 years of class-conscious struggles. It is the very basis of Marxism. Whatever one’s assessment of the government under attack, any attempt at imperialist intervention, whether through sanctions or through armed attack, must be opposed.

    Obama’s double standard

    The Obama administration has called out only for the governments of Libya and Syria to resign. You would think there are no other governments that are using the force of the state against a portion of the population.

    Look across the Atlantic to Washington’s closest ally, in London. That government just sent 16,000 police against the rebellious people of the capital city. They sent people to jail for four years for sending messages with blackberries. These same police killed 333 civilians in England over the last 13 years. And the state power in Spain fired rubber bullets at demonstrators camped out on Plaza Catalunya in Barcelona. In Greece they repress strikers and demonstrators. AndWashington cheers on the state power in all three allied capitals for punishing these legitimate rebellions.

    Even more blatant is the repression in Bahrain, a country of a half-million people where the U.S. Fifth Fleet is stationed. With dozens of protestors killed and hundreds arrested and tortured, the monarchy there has received no criticism from Washington. And that’s even after Saudi troops invaded the island to help put down the uprising.

    Syria’s internal situation may be difficult to understand, but in this unfolding struggle clear statements against U.S. destabilization efforts have come from Hugo Chávez in Venezuela, Hezbollah Secretary General Seyyed Hassan Nasrallah in Lebanon and several exiled leaders of Hamas, the Palestinian organization that was elected by the people of Gaza. These political leaders have experienced first-hand U.S. destabilization campaigns that used corporate media fabrications, externally financed opposition groups, targeted assassinations, “special operations” sabotage and well-trained Internet operatives.

    The threat to Syria is connected to the social explosion shaking the Arab world. U.S. imperialism and all the old regimes tied to it in the region are trying desperately to manage and contain this still unfolding mass upheaval into channels that do not threaten imperialist domination of the region.

    The U.S. and its collaborators are also trying to divide and undermine the two main wings of the forces resisting imperialist domination — the Islamic forces and the secular nationalist forces — which together overthrew the U.S.-backed dictatorships in Egypt and Tunisia. There is now a concerted U.S. effort to turn these same political forces against two regimes in the region that have opposed U.S. domination in the past — Libya and Syria.

    Both Libya and Syria have their own developmental problems, which are exacerbated by the general global capitalist crisis and decades of compromise imposed on them as they tried to survive in a hostile environment of unrelenting attacks —political, sometimes military and including economic sanctions.

    The U.S./NATO bombing of Libya has clarified where imperialism stands regarding that country. Syria is also targeted by imperialism — because of its refusal to recognize the Zionist occupation, its assistance to Hezbollah in their struggle to end the Israeli occupation of Lebanon and its strategic alliance with Iran.

    On the side of the supposedly “democratic opposition” are such reactionaries as Sen. Joseph Lieberman, chair of the powerful Senate Homeland Security Committee, who called on the U.S. to bomb Syria next, after Libya. Outspoken supporters of the opposition in Syria include James Woolsey, former CIA director and adviser to Sen. John McCain’s presidential campaign.

    Wikileaks exposes U.S. role

    An article entitled “U.S. secretly backed Syrian opposition groups” in the April 18 Washington Post described the Wikileaks report on U.S. diplomatic cables. The article summarizes what these State Department cables reveal about the secret funding of Syrian political opposition groups, including the beaming of anti-government programming into the country via satellite television.

    The article describes the U.S.-funded efforts as part of a “long-standing campaign to overthrow the country’s autocratic leader, Bashar al-Assad,” which began under President George W. Bush and continued under President Barack Obama. Now Obama’s open declaration against Assad makes it no longer necessary to see secret cables to know where U.S. imperialism stands.

    The Syrian government has charged that snipers fired into demonstrations, shooting army and police in an effort to have police open fire on demonstrators. Weapons have been smuggled in from Lebanon, Turkey and Iraq. Rumors, anonymous Internet postings and satellite television reports aimed at heightening sectarian differences are part of the destabilization campaign.

    Dual character of Syria

    It is not difficult to see why U.S. imperialism and its pawns in the region, including Israel and the corrupt dependent monarchies of Jordan, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia, would want to see “regime change’ in Syria.

    Syria is one of the few Arab states that have no relations with Israel. Several Palestinian resistance organizations have offices-in-exile in Syria, including Hamas. Syria is allied closely with Iran and with the Hezbollah organization in Lebanon.

    Syria today is not socialist nor a revolutionary country. Capitalism with its resulting inequality has not been overturned. There is a capitalist class in Syria. Many within it have benefited from “reforms” that sold formerly state-owned industries to private capital. Thus, the Syrian state represents contradictory forces.

    Years of U.S. sanctions and past destabilization efforts have also had a cumulative effect. The state apparatus, ever fearful of continuing outside intervention, has become fearful of change.

    Impact of Iraq war

    To escape the last eight years of U.S. occupation, more than 1.5 million Iraqis have flooded into Syria, whose population in 2006 was 18 million. According to a 2007 report by the office of the U.S. High Commissioner for Refugees, this influx impacted all facets of life in Syria, particularly the services offered by the state to all citizens and refugees.

    The unexpected arrival of these Iraqi refugees has strained Syria’s infrastructure, including guaranteed free elementary and high schools, free health care, housing availability and other areas of the economy and has increased costs across the board. The prices of foodstuffs and basic goods have gone up by 30 percent, property prices by 40 percent and housing rentals by 150 percent.

    Iraqi refugees also benefited from Syrian state subsidies in gasoline, food, water and other essential goods provided to everyone. Such a large mass of unemployed people led to the lowering of wages and increased competition for jobs. The impact of the global economic downturn during this difficult period added to the problems. (Middle East Institute, Dec. 10, 2010, report on Refugee Cooperation)

    The diverse nationalities, religions and cultural groupings in Syria, the unemployed youth and impoverished sectors of the population, have every right to be part of this process. But what they need most is an end to constant, unrelenting U.S.and other imperialist intervention. U.S. and Europe: Hands offSyria!

    Sara Flounders is co-director of the International Action Center
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26066
    For previous article see:http://www.iacenter.org/nafricamideast/syria050611//
     
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    Syria losin' Iran's support...
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    Iran: Syria Should Heed Citizens’ Demands
    August 27, 2011 - Syria's closest ally, Iran, is calling on the government in Damascus to listen to the people's "legitimate demands."
    See also:

    Dick Cheney Memoir: VP Says He Urged Bush To Bomb Syria
    8/25/11 WASHINGTON -- Former Vice President Dick Cheney writes in his new memoir that President George W. Bush rejected his advice in 2007 to bomb a suspected nuclear reactor site in Syria.
     
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    Syria is a big domino in this game .. because of Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah.. All are impediments to peace in Palestine and Lebanon. I don't see Obama or the allies threatening military intervention.. Sanctions may be enough..

    Should remember that Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait all oppose Assad as well.
     
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    Waiting for Russia to abandon its support for Assad...
    :blushes:
    U.S. in waiting game on Syria
    May 16th, 2012 - Fifteen months into the crisis in Syria, and the Obama administration is, as one U.S. official describes it, in "a holding pattern," waiting for Russia to abandon its support for President Bashar al-Assad, waiting for sanctions to topple the economy and waiting for an organized Syrian opposition to present a coherent vision for a post-Assad Syria.
    See also:

    Syria: the elephant in the room amid military exercise in Jordan
    May 16th, 2012 - With a photo of a raging lion over their shoulders, senior U.S. and Jordanian generals opened a massive military exercise dubbed "Eager Lion."
     
  5. Ivan88

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    If President Assad resigns, Syria158b.JPG will President Obama really protect the Syrian people from the US/UK/Israeli/Saudi/Qatar backed Muslim Brotherhood assasins?

    Or will he protect them like he "protected" the Lybian people, by bombing them and unleashing Muslim Brotherhood fanatics and assassins upon them?

    Can anyone trust the US officials considering their vast love affair with lies? colin-powell-un.jpg

    Maybe Syria should become a protectorate of Russia [​IMG] since they were able to really protect the people of S. Ossetia from US/UK/israeli backed crazies such as this guy:
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    Child massacre in Syria...
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    Syria crisis: Houla child massacre confirmed by UN
    26 May 2012 - UN's Maj-Gen Robert Mood: "Deaths were an unacceptable attack"
     
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    Let's assume that someone associated with the Syrian government unjustly killed those people.

    Why not identify just who it was, what they did and why?

    And while you're at it, go after those who have killed millions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia & Lybia, AND ARE CAUSING THE TROUBLE IN SYRIA?


    [​IMG] NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED
     
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    I certainly believe you are right about this, Margot. Besides, since we've seen that Obama is passing little "secret" messages to Putin to get all lovey-dovey with him, it is even less likely now that Obama would do anything to make Putin mad at him. But, Obama is a strange man with greatly overrated intelligence; there's no telling what a confused neophyte of his inept calibre might do at any given time in any given situation.

    One thing is for sure: if he were to decide to launch a cavalier attack on Syria like he did on Libya, and do it without complying with the War Powers Resolution (again), then I would certainly hope that THIS time the Congress of the United States would vote to impeach him and remove him from office as soon as possible. They should have done it last year!
     
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    A rant with no proof.

    Love it!!! =D
     
  10. Ivan88

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    Aint it odd how the US loves to bomb whole countries into rubble to catch boogeymen alCIAda, but they also hire, assist and direct them to slaughter the people of Yugoslavia, Lybia and Syria.

    The vast wealth of America going down the drain for all these insane wars.
     
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    GodTom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You do realize the past 70+ years have been the most peaceful, stable and most prosperous for all of humanity right?

    And ain't it odd that America has been a world leader that whole time...
     
  12. Ivan88

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    Hundreds of millions of people suffered and died in our wars of aggression around the world over the last 112 years.

    Some people had a relative peace, but that doesn't wipe the blood stains off our hands.
     
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    are you kidding me? Europe has had more blood on its hand then anyone? WW2 has more deaths in it then all of America "Wars of Aggression" put together? Why are people not out crying that Germany is the boogy man they have the most death and suffering on there hands after all.
     
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    Since WW1 the establishment has been propagandizing that Germany is an aggressive nation that caused the big wars.

    Until one discovers the ideological roots of the 20th Century wars, he'll be left with the popular propaganda, just as Mialily seems to be stuck with.

    In the spirit of Alexander I at the 1815 Congress of Vienna & Holy Alliance, in which the European nations agreed to forego aggression, and treat each other as Christian nations leaving civilians out of any battles that might occur;
    Prime Minister Putin proposed that the rulers of the world take as their sole guide, in solemn devotion, the precepts of Justice, Love and Peace as The Principles guiding the rulers in their relations with their subjects and with each other. [​IMG]

    That 1815 peace was later deliberately broken at Crimea by the same sort of high priests of war that have, since 1849, guided the USA into more than a century of almost constant wars of aggression.

    The United States has been embroiled in wars since 1861 in jealous support of communism world wide, and actively made WWI worse and longer than it would otherwise have been by attacking Germany when the European nations were about to settle the war with Germany's proposal that everyone go back to where they started and cease hostilities.

    Then the US assisted in starving Germany after the war and in oppressing them, thus paving the way for more war.

    What really got Europe back to war in the 1800's was Lincoln's un-civil war against the reactionary secessionist states. Europe had been trying to maintain the treaty of 1815 despite the 1849 Communist revolution and the Crimea war.

    But, when they saw both Britain and America, the most powerful, most prosperous nations of the world following Molech the god of naked force and war, they gradually became intoxicated by our most rotten example.

    Disraeli, the British prime minister said of the English handling of what they called the Sepoy Mutiny:

    September 30, 1857 Disraeli gave a speech at Newport Pagnell in which he said, “I have heard things said, and seen them written of late,” he declared, “which would make me almost suppose that the religious opinions of the people of England had undergone some sudden change; and that instead of bowing before the name of Jeus, we were preparing to revive the worship of Moloch”.

    The asotonishing image of Jesus undergoing what amounts to a metamorphosis into “Molech, horrid king besmeared with blood of human sacrifice and parents’ tears presents the sharpest possible articulation of the idea of a fatal contradiction inhabiting “the religious opinions of the people of England.” (Milton, Paradise Lost 1;392-93)

    From: War of No Pity The Indian Mutiny & Victorian Trauma By Christopher Herbert
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    Then Union General Sherman further shocked Europe when he said, "We are not fighting against enemy armies, but against an enemy people, both young and old, rich and poor, and they must feel the iron hand of war in the same way as organized armies."

    His policy has been US policy ever since.

    We became like the Scarlet woman that made the nations drunk with her drugs.

    In 1865, the British bombed 2 Japanese cities causing a sudden rush among Japanese rulers to make Japan into a 1sr rate military power modeled after Britain, America and Germany. This militarism led to Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, not without important assistance from the US at the highest levels.

    In 1940, Churchill and Roosevelt declared war on Germany, calling it the Atlantic Charter which later became the United Nations, and organization chartered for war, not peace.
    [​IMG]


    The popular US view of the 20th century is way way off from the reality of what happened.
     
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    You good sir are a joke.
    You bend history too your will and it is despicable, you basically teach people trash over the internet?
    For fun? or do you honestly believe it yourself, either way I don't care.

    Manipulate and bend history all you want, all you got right about history were a few quotes and treaties then you manipulated those same facts into false hoods.
    I feel sad for anyone who believes this nonsense.

    I have not the time or the words to go through your many manipulations of history.

    America tried its very hardest to stay out of WW1 we only declared war a year before the conflicts ended.
    France was the primary culprit in trying to suppress Germany.
    Britain was the head behind dismantling the Ottoman Empire.


    "In 1865, the British bombed 2 Japanese cities causing a sudden rush among Japanese rulers to make Japan into a 1sr rate military power modeled after Britain, America and Germany. This militarism led to Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, not without important assistance from the US at the highest levels."

    This statement alone puts Britain to blame for more death, and you believe Americans would kill Americans, conspiracy theorist I assume?

    The League of Nations came before the Atlantic Charter, which was the birth place for many of the regulations of the United Nations, and it was indeed France and Britain that paved the way for WW2 they wanted too punish Germany and it allies, which the United States President at the time Woodrow Wilson was greatly opposed he wanted a diplomatic end.

    Germany was well on its feet at start of WW2 and it was a drive for revenge that fueled its people to get behind a dictator like Adolf Hitler.

    Learn history before you preach it.
     
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    Thanks for the party line from your favorite public school and TV history.

    "The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."Benjamin Disraeli

    Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/benjamindi136330.html#4uz66OlOMPOH3FBI.99

    Funny how the Boston Tea Party was against the East India Company, and their flag was the first USA flag:
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    I'd put money that my education far surpasses your own.

    Fighting with a conspiracy theorist is a waste of my time.
    So good day have fun with your lies I only posted so not all people would believe your lies.
     
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    Could be. Well educated in conventional history, or should I say his story. (his being the profiteers that control popular history.
     
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    This photo is not Syria as the Western media are trying to say.

    There are many old photos being used from Palestine, Iraq etc

    This latest one is actually Shia killed in Iraq by Saddam in 2001.

    Be very careful what media is telling you about Syria!

    [​IMG]
     
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    [​IMG]
    http://open.salon.com/blog/stuartbramhall/2012/02/16/why_the_us_wants_regime_change_in_syria

    Here is a map for the Americans who don't know where Syria and Egypt and Qatar and Saudi are

    [​IMG]
     
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    Hezbollah got eyes for Syria's chemical weapons...
    :?
    Pentagon: Need 75,000 Troops to seize Syria’s chemical stockpiles
    November 15, 2012 WASHINGTON — The Pentagon has told the Obama administration that any military effort to seize Syria’s stockpiles of chemical weapons would require upward of 75,000 troops, amid increasing concern that the militant group Hezbollah has set up small training camps close to some of the chemical weapons depots, according to senior American officials.
     
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    Muslim Brotherhood government of the USA wants Syria to fall because it will enable them to take both Europe, USA and Russia.
     
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    US backed Wahabi jihadist rebels now clashing with the Kurds


    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/sy...urkey.aspx?pageID=238&nID=35391&NewsCatID=352
     
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    actually.........

    7 countries in 5 years said General Wesley Clarke NATO

    seems he should know what the US plan is if anybody should dont you think?

    [video=youtube;9RC1Mepk_Sw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9RC1Mepk_Sw[/video]
     

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