Tell me the numbers are not inflated

Isn't that what forensic science is here to establish? It is entirely unscientific to just guess at it, which is clearly what is happening. Assuming facts doesn't make it scientific. Are we saying just having it kills? Because there are millions of folks now who have recovered just fine so far. So, forensically, it is necessary to actually do the attribution not just guess because as we guess wrong, we get policy wrong that otherwise could have been better suited to addressing the actual need instead of the feelz crowd. How about we let science and not annecdotal evidence rule the day here for a change?

 

Coroners and physicians aren't lying. They are making their best medical judgement. It has been debunked that these numbers are inflated from car crashes and gunshot wounds.

 

BS.

We don't have perfect information. But we're also in a massive crisis, and have to make decisions. That's typical, btw, the bigger the crisis, the less likely it is you have perfect information.

Waiting is not an option. Fortunately, we've learned a lot, and it's months past the time we started using that knowledge to good effect.

 

Are they? Is just being expedient good enough for you?

 

Funny. A "massive crisis"... This is what it ultimately comes down to for progressive minds. The "scope" out scales their ability to control the narrative so, instead, they synthesize and make everything the drama that they are concerned with. There are too many examples of this to ignore the method. So, by inflating deaths by WuFlu, the only outcome is more direct economic pain because a bright future for the economy is bad for democrats and their power. Yup. this isn't rocket science, it's just power politics, and demanding that everyone's death be counted as a WuFlu death supports the draconian efforts of the progressive tyrants and their willingness to destroy the real economies they wish to crush as a result.

 

What incentive to hospitals have to pump up the COVID numbers and deaths?

 

There is no real death excess, general deaths rate has fallen sharply (below average) in June, so moving average does not show any increase.
Temporary death excess probably was caused by financial incentives for COVID-19 reporting.

 

My anecdotal is coming from what is the reality in my local hospital and what its doctors are talking about.

It will take years to get the big picture about covid once it is scrubbed of politics.

But my money says it will be that this virus can attack the body in several different ways. And did including the heart in young patients and other organs.

One patient here came in vomiting and watery stool and had covid. And died infected with covid. His heart stopped. In his 40s with no health problems.

Just wait til flu season combined with covid. We are still on the first wave. The second wave will be worse if it follows the 1918 pandemic.

Nature has given us a novel virus that looks to be engineered. To not be seasonal like the flu. And to not show symptoms in many younger people but still contagious. Yet still killing some younger people.

But shows no signs of going away after 7 months. And there have been cases where the same person caught it twice.

Novel indeed.

 

Actually, it has been proven that they are counting deaths as COVID deaths even without testing. So deaths "regardless of actual cause of death were being counted as WuFlu deaths" even with NO PROOF the person even had COVID.

It's about politics more than science. Accurate statistics and counts be damned.

 

I'm not sure how the testing process works, but it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people get tested once a week or so, just to check their status. If so, some might test positive for four weeks in a row, which would result in just one positive person being counted as four covid positives.

All-in-all, I think the whole testing process is just one big fiasco with no reliable information that can be gleaned from it.

 

If

Common cold viruses (including COVID-19) live with us million years. Yes sometimes they mutate and cause issues, but they also mutate in opposite direction very quickly. It is not possible to predict what is going to happen.
In general common cold viruses get weaker once they pass through immune response.

 

That is blatantly false and propaganda.

 

Covid 19 lived in bats not humans.

In order to study covid 19 in labs they must engineer it to move to humans. For its moot if only in bats. It may have never moved to humans after Millon's of years as you maintain.

This one has mutated and still killing people.

No vaccine against the cold. After all this time. And no immunity from catching it.

 

No controversy here if we assume that virus was engineered in Wuhan.

 

Some say it was done in the US.

Yet it is true that to study a virus these labs need the virus to infect humans.

 

You got to try out your BS in places like Fla and Texas.

Glad I'm not there.

Btw, could you project a teensy bit less? We know you support a wannabee dictator, we don't need to be reminded of that.

 

Some say it was done in the US.

Yet it is true that to study a virus these labs need the virus to infect humans.

 

Indeed, and those long lines at testing sites confirm that hypochondria is very strong in these United States.

I will continue to take my vitamins and minerals, especially zinc.

 

To date, in TX, it has been the mayors who have either further restricted or closed additional kinds of businesses the have added to the crush on our local economies. And where Abbot provided guidance, lots of these mayors are taking more authority to close down the economy. This isn't unknown, so not knowing it certainly seems disingenuous at this point. In my town, we don't have a single case.

Trying to deflect by suggesting that Trump is a dictator because he's acting a lot like Obama seems, well, laugh out loud funny coming from folks who told us not to worry, Obama was acting in the best interests on our behalf. And now? Screaming lunacy from the left that when someone else does it, it's evil. The hypocrisy here is enormous. And while many of us criticized what Obama was doing with his new found authority, so far, what Trump is doing seems to be unwinding Obama's overreaches. And that is terrifying to folks like you who either suck directly from the revenue flows he created for you or are worried that others besides you are getting to have inputs on how the land is governed. Spare us your own projections. No one is going to accept them.

 

No, it has been well established that the data is poor and unreliable. It is well established that the numbers have been exaggerated and that there are financial incentives to inflate the numbers.

I just heard another version of it as I shopped during the lunch hour. The lady whose father-in-law works at the local hospital has related to her for months now about dishonesty and exaggeration in the classification of those cases. The knowledge is out on the street. That's why Fauci's reputation is becoming so low among ordinary people.

 

In one Texas city, they are flying patients to the nearest hospital, about 150 miles. The state is beginning to get maxxed out. Testing is so slow it's just about useless, and the peak is weeks away.

Again, really glad I'm not there.

I said wannabe, it means he wants to be...

Not going to bother with the crazy, the voters will put that to bed.

 

The idiots are talking about opening schools in a few weeks. Now this means one of two things, either it's not near as bad as they claim or they want all the kids to catch it. One or the other. Take your pick.

 

You need to recognize that "without a test" is different from "without proof."

 

Texas hospitals are running out of drugs, beds, ventilators and even staff

 

This is a reference to Trump and DeVos, right?