The Address Round Decided It Trump Lost The Shutdown Fight!

What President Trump in his national address tonight demonstrated with a titanic size flood light is that he screwed-up big-big-big-time, he committed the Grandfather of all screw-ups, in listening to the likes of Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity in backing out of the deal with the House and the Senate to sign the Continuing Resolution to keep the government open. He demonstrated tonight that he doesn't have the case to make all those millions of Americans directly and indirectly significantly hurt by the shutdown to go through the hardship they will go through to force Congress to fund his campaign promise of a wall. President Trump hasn't learned the lesson that Representative Steny Hoyer and Senator Dick Durbin told him loud and clearly in his immigration summit in the White House way back in January of 2018 when they said to the President when you're talking about all these things like more Judges, more detention facilities, more security measures, etc. to stop the illegal immigration through America's southern border "you're talking comprehensive immigration reform and if you want to negotiate legislation to reach this goal you have to be willing to provide legal status to a large portion of the eleven million undocumented immigrants currently in America". President Trump in his Address quite effectively articulated the harm coming from illegal immigration through America's southern border but he also articulated how clueless he is in knowing the political path to solving the problem. President Trump quite stupidly believes the American people were all born yesterday the American people have known the scope of this terrible "illegal immigration" wound on the body of America for the last twenty years were waiting for a President that has the leadership skills to create the complex and extensive legislative solution needed to solve this problem. In this Address President Trump showed he offers America no hope in solving this problem.


President Trump if he has a modicum of wisdom in the cavity between his ears will charge his staff to pull out all the stops in trying to pull out a face saving solution to this Government Shutdown. Face Saving 101 would call for him to abandon all talk of the wall, the wall is dead for the 2019 Budget. The Trump Administration should fall back on the provision of the 2018 Omnibus Spending bill which provided for funding for fencing with designs in existence prior to 2018. Bollard (Metal Post) fences work as a security measure and it isn't wasteful spending like a hugely costly wall would be! Chris Cuomo made an excellent point on his program tonight when he said that President Trump makes his best case for added security protections when he talks like Border Patrol authorities tell me the country needs X,Y and Z to strengthen the border the way it should be strengthened and leaves it at that!


In the rebuttal, Senator Schumer's remarks I thought were appropriate and one could respect his point of view because he acknowledged that illegal immigration through the southern border is wrong and we need to address it. On the other hand, Speaker Pelosi's remarks were disappointing and very troubling. The Speaker's remarks were alarmingly off the mark the mass of people trying to enter our country without visas on the southern border aren't women and children and the good characterization of what is going on isn't that it is a humanitarian crisis. It is a crisis where these people are fleeing failed countries, countries where extortion, kidnapping, bribery and murder run rampant and inundate the countries. As much as the American people should hope these countries stop their failure and become good countries we should strongly as strongly can be say in words and behavior that we are not your savior to these people don't come to our country we have serious problems of our own our country is a failed country for many of our people we have to fix our country for these citizens of ours we cannot take you in, period, to do so would not be right to those Americans America owes much more to than they currently get! It is really alarming if the Democrat Party's position is what the Speaker seems to be saying which is that coming to America is the solution for these millions and millions of suffering people from Central and South America it is America's obligation to write the humanitarian wrong for these people!

 

We finally have someone that is serious about doing something and the nay-sayers are ready to do nothing again.

 

Yup.

Trump is a LOSER.

Everybody agrees that Trump LOST.

 

So many folks cheering for more deaths on the border. Sad.

 

Take it up with Trump. He's the guy to make the big deals. Let him make one with Mexico.

 

So at the end of the calendar year 2018, it is estimated that over 38,000 of the fatal drug overdoes in the US were attributed to drugs that crossed the Southern border.

The Democrats call this a manufactured crisis.

Kamala Harris calls this a vanity wall.

Proves once again that the value of life is very cheap within the Democratic mindset.

Progressive power is their only true objective.

 

LOL! Cuck Schumer and Nancy Pepto looked like puppets.

 

Damn, I was wondering where the official spokesman of "everyone" was located. I'be damned, right here at PF!

 

69 % of Americans want Smart effective borders security .......... Not a centuries old expensive wall that doesn't work !

 

It makes no difference how old the wall technology is. Walls work and everyone knows it and five billion in a federal budget is nothing.

However, Chuck and Nancy are willing to let the government be shut down forever as long as Trump gets the blame. At this point, pass the budget without the wall. From that point on, everything bad which happens on the border or because of the border now belongs to the democrats.

 

I was reading some of the twitter responses and they were mocked. Some said they looked like the twins in the movie Shining - creepy.

The best twitter response came from the RNC.
“Tonight, Americans saw their president fighting for a solution to fund our government while protecting American citizens, versus the approach of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer which is to resist, resist, resist at all costs,” she said.

Steve

 

Well, duh. They aren't building a centuries old wall, it will be brand new.

 

$5 Billion is just a start

Wall estimates are as high as $60 Billion

Social scientist Bent Flyvbjerg described the selection of government-funded infrastructure projects as “survival of the unfittest” because proponents of those projects systematically exaggerate the benefits and underestimate the costs. President Trump’s proposed border wall with Mexico provides a striking example of this: A wall along the border with Mexico will likely cost about $59.8 billion to construct.

The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) recently sent a letter to Congress where it argued that $5.7 billion would pay for approximately 234 miles of a new physical steel barrier along the border.

 

That still doesn't address the issue of citizens getting killed and dying with drug overdoses. The wall is just a part of BORDER SECURITY which nearly everyone wants and needs.

“Tonight, Americans saw their president fighting for a solution to fund our government while protecting American citizens, versus the approach of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer which is to resist, resist, resist at all costs,” RNC.

Steve

 

And five billion a year still is nothing in a federal budget. You build a section where it will do the most good. See how it works. Build another section based on the improvements or if it does not work, you try something different.

What we do know is that a sensor or drone will never stop anyone. At some point a border agent has to chase them down with all the associated risks to both the agent and the illegal. Right now they estimate that about half those who attempt to cross illegally are successful.

Every time a border agent is killed or an illegal child dies because they end up coming in illegally now becomes the democrats fault.

 

Listening to a democrat in the house today I realized what they mean by a broken immigration system.

By broken they mean not giving amnesty to anyone that crosses illegally.

 

Walls work in other countries. OK, so they are 0.1% ineffective and that is the reason the hysterical left doesn't want one, that and TDS. Guess old technology should be abandoned, like the wheel, right?

 

The optics were bizarre. I can’t recall seeing anything quite so strange.

 

Other than encouraging divisiveness and hatred and shutting down the government, WTF has DJT done? Other than making a joke of the office, what has he done?

 

So far Trump has not shut down the government, the dem house has. The House and Senate agreed not to pass a spending bill that would not be signed by the President. As soon as democrats took over the house they reneged on that for political posturing.

 

How many miles of the 2000 mile Southern Border contain any type of manmade impediment to crossing?

How much of the Southern Border has natural barriers that make a wall/fence unnecessary?

 

I hate to tell you, but the reason the federal government is shut down is because POTUS is having revenge and a temper tantrum for not getting his childish way regarding the construction of a useless and expensive and downright silly border wall.

 

LOL, he campaigned on it. Walls are over 90% effective and what the Birder Patrol wants but hey, dem Congress critters know better.

 

Walls do work, especially in coordination with border patrols and technology which is what Trump stands for. Schumer is a hypocrite and a liar:

Chuck Schumer in 2009: Physical border barriers made the southern border "far more secure" because they "create a significant barrier to illegal immigration"
Chuck Schumer in 2018: Physical border barriers are "unnecessary" and "ineffective"

The dishonesty about border security by the Democrats and the progressives is staggering. They would rather is the country fail just to bring down the President than to actually do something to help the American people.

 

I believe thousand strong mobs of shoeless illiterates massing at the southern border make the case for trump