The Apollo Missions and the ludicrous numbers to fake them all!

This MASSIVELY complex series of landings involved an astonishing, an ASTONISHING, amount of evidence/data. It is probably THE most documented series of events in history. NASA has put the entire record online, the scientific data from the ALSEPs alone has probably produced tens of thousands of scientific papers. So, with that in mind, to fake this completely impossible to fake series of landings......

How many people:

• To create the faultless "sets"?
• The supposed "sets" number in the hundreds!
• To deliver the bullshit "dust free" regolith and lay it out?
• To take all the thousands of photographs?
• To produce 50 hours of faultless surface video showing lunar gravity?
• To manufacture 842lbs of faultless peer-reviewed rocks?
• To do actual magic and create IMPOSSIBLE to fake Jump Salute footage?
• To create faultless IMPOSSIBLE to fake 16mm film footage of the LRV in transit?
• To do actual magic and create IMPOSSIBLE to fake Gene Cernan jump footage?
• To create all the gigabytes of date from the ALSEP on every mission?
• To magically create the bullshit (no evidence whatsoever) alternative space program to place the laser reflectors?
• To replicate the landing footage that 100% ties in with correct topography?
• To replicate the launch footage that ties in with correct topography?
• To replicate the radar and fool Jodrell Bank.
• The personnel on every NASA observatory?
• The personnel working at NASA then, every year since!?
• The LROC team and ongoing since it was launched?
• How many Russians!?.
• How many Japanese Selene staff?
• How many Chandrayaan staff!?
• To write the dialog from 1000s of hours of space footage!?
• To impossibly replicate Earth images that faultlessly show prevailing hurricane cloud formations!?
• To fake so, so many thousands of individual telemetry and biodata reports!?

Not one single person has ever come forward, no death-bed confessions, no direct confession, not even a hint of a conclusive piece of evidence. This short video summarizes the issues to only a small extent:



I will be taking each item and elaborating on it to show how totally insane this cluelessly "thought out" hoax claim actually is!

 

Nothing in the above makes the anomalies that prove the hoax* go away. Once people have seen them, there's nothing you can do to make think Apollo was real.


*
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...anding-is-fake.553296/page-31#post-1074385963

 

Lets start with the "sets"!

• They need to be illuminated in such a way as to show the correct Lunar relief. This is impossible to fudge given the advance of topographical missions that will inevitably result.
• This illumination must also convey the natural tendency of the retro-reflective surface.
• The idea of the moronic hoax and duplicate "backdrops" must alter each photograph accordingly to show the variance in angle to distant mountains etc.
• Now the most absurd of all the hoax claims is the lighting. Covered here in copious detail and pretty much ignored!
• The illumination CANNOT have multiple shadows which in itself sets an utterly absurd problem. To illuminate irrefutably MILES of terrain, we need a light as bright and as big as the Sun. But provably it IS the Sun - HERE.
• These "sets" need to be several miles wide! The LRV footage shows travel over considerable distance that has "backdrops" that never get closer(!) and illumination that MUST be from the Sun. The problem being the ground is grey everywhere and the sky is pitch black.
• These "sets" must entertain all the photography that needs to be consistent throughout and tie in exactly with surface videos. This website is an astonishing amount of complex work that utterly destroys the puny and very ignorant hoax claims: Apollo Stuff (onebigmonkey.com)
• Lighting within Apollo "sets" must also convey differences in Sun elevation such as this video: Apollo 11 DAC footage - shadows - YouTube
• The number of sets must tie in with the number of EVAs and the number of stations per EVA. This must also be consistent with the Lunar Rover camera frequently performing 360 degree pans during these station stops, to take in the entire panorama of each stop!

Now that is just skirting the issue without going into the stunning and accurate detail involved. I suggest the numbers involved to do all that (and some of it ridiculously impossible!) is off the scale.
The logic of this whole batshit hoax is lost on claimants. WHY would NASA bother doing these 16mm DAC footage traverse movies? There is nothing to be gained, yet they are faultless and it is utterly moronic to suggest these are faked, when not one of the hoax claimants can even offer a way in which they were done!






There are a number more plus ones created from 100% consistent photography such as this:


Just to point out - THAT video has HUNDREDS of faultless lunar "sets" as images that were taken onboard the lunar rover during traverses between stations. There are many more.

 

An "objective truth-seeker" wouldn't ignore inconvenient evidence. The above post on its own details hundreds of hours of faultless and completely unnecessary evidence proving beyond doubt the footage was on the Moon. Hundreds of images of different scenes! Flawless rover traverses with not one hoax claimant able to explain any of it in 1971/1972!

Here is a video of a faultless lunar traverse, dark shadows, dark skies, perfectly lit terrain in broad daylight on the Moon, next to the footage is the Hasselblad image taken at regular intervals. What world of idiotic fakery was ANY of that even necessary! This is the FIFTH successful mission, ever increasing coverage and evidence. No sensible person viewing this would consider it faked:

 

As expected, no honest responses to these slam dunk posts. This is always evaded, or maybe we get the batshit "but meh compartmentalizing". Either way, the numbers involved limit this ridiculous hoax claim and allied with proof that any honest person would consider irrefutable, means that every one of these "hoax" threads is just noise.
Let's jump a little and add something not listed in the OP.

To supposedly fake the laser reflectors:

• Without any doubt, there are 3 laser reflectors positioned on the Moon where Apollo 11,14 and 16 landed.
• In addition to these reflectors there are numerous ALSEPs positioned that have sent back astonishing amounts of data over many years.
• ALL these experiments are around all 6 Apollo landing sites. HamishALSEP (nasa.gov)
• They include seismic experiments placed into the surface!
• Heat flow experiments placed into the surface!
• Firstly for all this, we need to develop a landing vehicle capable of deploying all the ALSEPs including the reflectors.
• This development requires a team to design the craft and house all the ALSEPs. A craft that must be capable of motion. necessary for independently deploying all the ALSEPs in different areas.
• This requires a team to test the craft. That is a massive task!
• Every piece of Apollo hardware was subcontracted out. We need a company prepared to be complicit in major fraud! And that's before it has even been pulled off "successfully" over the ridiculously unfeasible 6 missions!
• We need a team to build the launch vehicle, capable of housing the landing craft.
• We need the correct launch windows to land on all 6 Apollo landing zones, in itself very difficult due to the orientation of the Moon at any given point.
• We need a vehicle launch control team.
• We need a vehicle mission team to take it from launch, to orbit, to the Moon, down to the surface safely and to deploy the ALSEPs!

That's a really basic rundown of an incredibly complicated and complex challenge that requires quite substantial numbers of people, including as pointed out, external NASA personnel knowingly falsifying the major objectives in every mission!

And what have we got in the way of evidence for ANY of that?

NOTHING!

Not one person, not one "whistle-blower", no death-bed confessions, no newspaper leaks, not one single solitary piece of evidence! No paper trails, no financial transaction trails, no external company involvement.

NOTHING!

In the entire history of NASA, has any person conveyed anything untoward about any of this, any of the Apollo missions, ever? NO! Not the slightest hint from any employer past or present, retired or otherwise.

 

This issue was settled a long time ago.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...set-mod-warning.403884/page-7#post-1073735217

Anyway, this doesn't make all the anomalies that prove the hoax go away (see post #2).

The viewers can look at them and your analyses of them and come to their own conclusions.

 

Yes it was settled.

The claims that the landings were a hoax were CRUSHED. evvery claim you have made has been factually proven FALSE

No anomolies prove any hoax and trhat fact was settled long ago

The viewers can and have concluded you are defeated

 

I replaced your link with your claim.

How is a statement making a claim, "settling" a list that shows the problem with that very claim!? This is pathetic and shows exactly the issue I highlighted. You fail every time to answer any of them. You have absolutely no concept at all of the major problems faced with making up this bullshit claim. My simplified list barely scratches the surface.

Viewers can note that instead of actually answering ANY post in this thread and staying on topic, we get spam diversion.

 

• To deliver the bullshit "dust free" regolith and lay it out?

This is one of those "somebody else's claim" moments. To "explain" why not once in 50 hours of surface video, dust suspends, including a very notable sequence over many acres showing the Lunar Rover, apparently the regolith is all large particles. This isn't a discussion on that absurd aspect of the horseshit claim. It is a thread concerning the numbers involved:

• There are a substantial number of different areas shown on video.
• Each one has zero suspended dust.
• Some of the video areas are several acres in size.
• How many people to ship in the lorries with grey aggregate for all that lot?
• Well, a few hundred lorries to start off.
• Then the people to screed it and make it "moon-like".
• Maybe a few dozen people could get it done - but where!?
• That's a few dozen potential leaks that need to be compensated or killed.
• NONE have ever come forward. There is ZERO paper-trail, money-trail or any evidence of this whatsoever.
• Yet stupidity persists.

It's outside, black skies, the surface is lit for miles and miles by sunlight and it's grey everywhere! It's all so very ludicrously impossible. They repeated this for 6 damn missions!

 

Now this one is absolutely massive, with dozens of panoramas, area specific images that must match actual lunar terrain, but notably must be taken in "sets" (meh!) that are miles wide!

Just above, Lunar rover traverse videos showing an assemblage of actual photographs to form what is OBVIOUSLY a full journey. Immediately one would ask, why the hell would they attempt to fake 5 further missions! Then what moronic reason would they then even bother doing these numerous image sequences? one of this is even remotely logical. There are hundreds of these!




EVERY single image taken from space is 100% correct in terms of position, time, trajectory and lines up EXACTLY with any stellar software! There are thousands of these, including multiple lunar revolutions and Mapping Camera exposures - all exact!

One of the most amazing things about the Apollo images is where the Japanese topographical missions for Selene produced 3d renderings that were IDENTICAL to surface images taken by Apollo astronauts on the Moon!




Just those images alone should be enough for any logical and objective person to know the evidence for Apollo is extremely strong!

 

This one is actually impossible. Even today with state of the art computer graphics capable of almost anything, the motion seen in Apollo lunar surface video is faultless and not possible to fake with early analog video recording.

On several videos I have created and supplied, (that needless to say have been ignored!) astronauts motion, tied in with the dust show that the video speed cannot have been altered. Notwithstanding that every single EVA when sped up to any speed between 1.5 or 2.4 times speed looks completely odd. This is a very complex piece of the Apollo evidence and involves a level of perfection that not even significant numbers could ensure:

 

Okay I'll bite.... What would be the reason to fake a moon landing?

When it comes to the government they are always seeking either more money or more power.... Six of one half a dozen of another.

So how does faking the moon landing accomplish this?

 

Further to my post above, confirmation about how the dust is impossible to fake comes with this simple gif. What we are seeing is a guy in a spacesuit flicking his foot sideways and expelling dust THAT high! If you speed this up to reflect terrestrial freefall, it looks utterly absurd.


Now, ANYONE who suggests they are HONESTLY "seeking truth" would look at that and see something that simply would be ludicrous on Earth. Dust simply does not do this on Earth, the numbers ONLY work on the Moon. The speed of the wave, the height, with a sideways kick?

 

I didn't come up with a number for the surface video. It IS impossible, but ignoring that, realistically how many to produce acres wide "sets", ensure perfect dark skies, perfectly lit with only one light source that produces 1 clear crisp dark shadow in all cases!? Fifty hours plus all the DAC footage surely a figure of at least a hundred people is not out if the question here. The perfect continuity issue alone is a challenge that no Hollywood movie has ever successfully achieved!

And how long to do this? And where? The Lunar rover footage is miles wide, anyone with even a semblance of logic and critical thinking will see how insane this hoax claim is.

 

• To manufacture 842lbs of faultless peer-reviewed rocks?

This is actually many levels beyond impossible. The rocks have been examined in copious detail by thousands of geologists around the world, there is a total consensus that they are undeniably authentic. The idea that every one of these people are lying or coerced is totally absurd.

The following is barely touching on the subject and is confirmed by reports from Apollo samples:

• The reports from the samples show formation in low gravity. This isn't up for debate, it is a fact!
• It is why the false claims are made that they are meteorites. This is impossible for many reasons, not least because the number of samples is hundreds of times more than the total of lunar meteorites ever found!
• There is zero terrestrial weathering on the samples - no long-term reactions to gasses in the atmosphere, water vapor or rain-water. ZERO.
• The Apollo samples are absolutely bone dry (though some picked up very light contamination during return to Earth). Essentially that is also impossible for Earth rocks or any meteorite that has been in situ longer than a few hours (even deserts).
• Elements common to Earth rocks are simply not present!
• A majorly important point is the presence of solar isotopes. This is simply impossible to replicate on Earth, these are not Earth rocks. Helium-3 is found in abundance and particularly on the exterior in shallow layers - impossible for a meteorite!
• Also present on many rocks are the very tiny zap-pits which have their own characteristics of solar isotopes around the impact points.

 

In terms of suggesting that the samples were collected by robotic crafts, The Soviets managed three successful automated lunar sample return missions: Luna 16, Luna 20 and Luna 24. The probes landed on the Moon, collected samples, and started a small rocket with the samples back to Earth. The returned mass was very small (101 g, 30 g and 170 g, respectively). Source. That is 2/3 of a pound over 3 missions!

For America to return 842lbs of samples including 3m core samples is an absurd claim that requires god knows how many retrieval missions, that must use uniquely developed / designed, tested, tracked, controlled returned spacecrafts. The number of launches to achieve this implausible crap in the 1969-72 period(even now a crazily difficult thing!) would be in the hundreds.

Notwithstanding that there is not a single iota of evidence to support this virtually impossible suggestion. One other side claim by landing deniers is that the Soviets were far ahead in the space race. Yeah right!

 

Robotic craft to retrieve samples huh? Well this was the latest robotic attempt to do this over 50 years after Apollo 11:
China makes Chang'e 5 moon samples open to international researchers | Space
"The Chang'e 5 lunar sample return mission launched in November 2020 and returned 23 days later with 3.81 pounds (1.73 kilograms) of lunar material collected from the Oceanus Procellarum ("Ocean of Storms") region."

Luckily China has improved their collection system for 2024!

China to launch 1st-ever sample return mission to moon's far side in 2024 | Space
"The complex, four-spacecraft mission will launch on a Long March 5 rocket from Wenchang in May 2024, according to Wu Yanhua, chief designer of China's Deep Space Exploration Major Project, speaking at a deep-space exploration conference on April 25 in the Chinese city of Hefei.

The 53-day-long Chang'e 6 mission will seek to touch down and collect up to 4.4 pounds (2 kilograms) of lunar materials using a scoop and a drill."

So, I reckon by Chang'e 206, we might match the total weight of samples from Apollo! And that's with modern techniques!