The birther thread to end all birther threads

Dumb question. The long form, of course.

There are not different fonts on Obama's BC. You have been misled by Paul Irey's incompetent "analysis" of the AP image which possess a scanning ripple caused by the document feeder. This was identified by John Woodman in his excellent book, Is Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate a Fraud?. Irey has refused Woodman's requests for a debate.

And Obama's was not taken from microfilm. It was copied directly from the original which is held in a bound volume at the Hawaii Department of Health.

Assuming this ambiguous accusation has to do with the registrar date stamps, there is no difference. You can even perfectly superimpose them over each other. They are identical.

Dumb question. For starters since two are from microfilm and one is not, your question already poses a false scenario. The Nordyke twin's copies are one generation further removed from the original than Obama's. Two were copies made in 1966 from microfilm, and one was made in 2011 using modern photocopying; 45 years later. Beyond that, they are also signed by different people, for different people and prepared by different typists.

So there will be cosmetic and data differences but no essential differences. And there are no essential differences between them.

Another dumb comment. Anybody who has ever made photocopies known better.

 

For god's sake Jr. Big fonts, color coding and underlining make you look like a screaming grade schooler. Be a grown up. It's not necessary.

For starters, the passport records we have seen for Ann Dunham Soetoro do not actually show he was removed from her passport. The section where she began to indicate the need to do so was never completed, and was actually crossed out and never acted on. So either he was never on her passport in the first place, or she had him removed via a request that was lost or not released.

That said, the date of the document that bears the crossed out section is July 18, 1970... a month before his 9th birthday. We know that a year later he returned to Hawaii alone to live with his grandparents. So he would have needed his own US passport to make that trip.

It doesn't matter what Indonesia allows. Under US law (specifically the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act) there is nothing the government of Indonesia can have done to revoke Obama's status as a natural born US citizen.

You have been misled. At no time in Indonesia's history have they ever restricted access to their public schools to citizens only.

Yes, it does. But also note the following:

1. It also says he was born in Hawaii. Again, I refer you to the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act. There is nothing his mother, step father or Indonesia could have done to alter his natural born US citizenship.

2. It is a private school record, not a public school record. In this way it frustrates again your (false) theory regarding why he might have needed Indonesian citizenship.

You have again been misled. It has never, in all of US or Pakistani history, been impermissible to travel there on US Passports. In fact, in 1981 when Obama made his trip, you didn't even have to get a visa ahead of time. Americans tourists could pick up 30 day visas just by arriving at the airport unannounced.

Maybe not beyond belief for a Birther. But since none of it makes sense, it deserves no attention from less deluded observers. Do you really think that she would have removed him from her passport when he was nine so that he could travel to Pakistan eleven years later?

This is an example of the idiocy of fringe conspiracy theories.

Proving a negative is impossible. But disproving an idiotic conspiracy theory based on at least two obvious lies is not even necessary. It disproves itself by its dependence on falsehood.

 

all great questions...

 

Please, please, please don't run away from this one!

I tell you what- you provide some evidence to support this claim, and then I will totally destroy it with actual evidence that showed that Americans were encouraged to travel to Pakistan then.

However, given your record....I don't expect you to stand by your claims.

 

It is really, really hard to respond to this without sounding condescending and insulting.

The April 2011 certified birth certificate of Barack Obama's was copied from his original- not from microfilm. We know this both from the look of his BC- and from the clear words of the State of Hawaii.

The Nordyke Twins BC appears to have been copied from Microfilm- so what we see are copies twice removed- an internet publication of a copy of the microfilm copy of the original.

Summary- they look different because Obama's is a copy directly from the original, and the Nordyke's is a copy of the microfilm copy of the original.

Isn't it funny how Birthers assume the Nordyke BC's are correct without any evidence, but assume Obama's is not, even though it is one degree closer to the origina- AND verified by the State of Hawaii.

 

obot news flash...

 

lol. did you look up the requirements for going to school in indonesia?

 

You just enroll and pay the fees.

What do you think the requirements are????

 

The link is dead, i copied the text from a forum... the link was bought by progessivepress.com, and conveniently the document was "lost"

EDIT: I found an alternate link...http://educate-yourself.org/cn/bergobamanoteligible21aug08.shtml

Birth Certificate Found in Kenya. Citizen of Kenya and Indonesia. Hawaiian Certificate Forged, Suit Alleges.

This page: http://www.waronfreedom.org/dox/BONoUsCitizen.htm
See also: Attorney Phil Berg speaks on his Federal Suit to Stop Obama, this week on Listen on Demand on World Crisis Radio with Webster Tarpley,
and the excellent, informative interview with Berg at America's Right.

On Aug. 21st attorney Philip J. Berg requested a temporary restraining order in Federal Court against the nomination of Barack Obama, citing evidence that candidate Barack Obama is not a US citizen, and "the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated." See Berg's website, http://www.ObamaCrimes.com .

Berg argues that Barack Obama was born in Kenya in 1961 to an American woman, Stanley Ann Dunham, and a Kenyan man, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, as reportedly shown by a birth certificate from Mombasa Maternity Hospital and witnessed by Barack's relatives. According to the law at that time, a parent could pass US citizenship on to a child born abroad if the parent was at least 19 years old. Obama's mother was only 18.

No hospital birth certificate has been produced to prove Obama was born in Hawaii, only a certificate of birth registry after the fact, which forensics experts have denounced as a forgery. New photos of the certificate were posted on the Internet on Aug. 21st at FactCheck.org, which is a project of the Annenberg Center, a longtime sponsor of Obama. It is quite suspicious in itself that the "facts" are not being "checked" by an independent source, and that only a short-form certificate without the name of the hospital is shown. Barack's mother could have flown from Kenya to Hawaii right after the birth, then reported that she had the child at home, in order to secure her son's US citizenship. The judge needs to subpoena Hawaiian officials to provide an original hospital report of birth.

Moreover, when Obama was six years old his mother remarried and moved with her husband to his country, Indonesia. Records indicate Obama was naturalized as an Indonesian citizen. Indonesia does not allow dual nationality, so even had he been born in Hawaii, he would have lost his citizenship then.

See http://www.waronfreedom.org/dox/BO-NO-Citizen-BriefFacts.htm for factual background of Berg's suit.

Even if Obama is able to provide a US birth certificate, a dozen more insurmountable scandals face this unelectable candidate, which the Republicans can hardly wait to unleash on him after he is nominated.

1. When Obama recently made an issue of the number of houses the McCains own, McCain shot back with much heavier artillery: Obama's friend Rezko is a convicted felon, sitting in jail. Obama is the candidate of Chicago corruption. His other cronies Auchi and Alsammare are also convicted felons who have stolen hundreds of millions from the Iraqi Provisional authority and from the government in Illinois. This has been detailed by investigative journalist Evelyn Pringle on opednews, and by Webster Tarpley in his forthcoming book, "Barack H. Obama: the Unauthorized Biography."

2. Obama has very close links to the convicted Weathermen terrorist bombers Bill Ayres and Bernardine Dohrn. He shared board memberships with Ayres on the Woods Fund and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. This and most of the following scandals are detailed in Tarpley's "Obama – The Postmodern Coup: Making of a Manchurian Candidate," released in June.

3 Obama is very close to the racist demagogues Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Otis Moss III, Hopkins, Meeks, and Pfleger.

4 Obama has been accused in Federal Court of using crack cocaine by Larry Sinclair, along with gay sex. The Obama camp retaliated by arresting Sinclair in an enemies list operation by Beau Biden, son of veep candidate Joe Biden.

5. The mysterious deaths of black gays in and around Wright's Church: Donald Young, Nate Spencer, Larry Bland could be linked to Obama.

6. Obama's relations to Chechen Terrorism through Ilyas Achmadov.

7. His relations to CIA-controlled Palestinian factions Khalidi and Abu Nimah.

8. The mysterious deaths of key Clinton delegates and floor leaders just before the convention: Bill Gwatney and Tubbs Jones.

9. The alleged Michelle Obama Hate Whitey tape.

10. Then of course there is the problem that Obama is a very weak candidate as regards appeal across the spectrum. In the primaries Obama was not able to carry any of the big Blue states that a Democrat has to win in the electoral college for the general election.

Obama is not able to appeal to the electorate on the issues, only on his personality. His attempt to appear populist fails since he is in fact the puppet of the right-wing Chicago School and revanchist Brzezinski faction. Instead of offering what the great majority of Americans want, peace abroad and fixing the economy at home, he will deliver increased austerity. The war in Georgia shows that the post-9/11 era has now ended with a new cold war against Russia, inspired by Obama's guru Brzezinski.

As Tarpley points out, Obama has never won a real election contest; his way has always been smoothed by engineered scandals.

But this time the scandals are set to go the other way.

The Democrat National Committee has to be certified insane if they nominate Obama. There is no way he can beat "war hero" McCain with a ton of dirty laundry like this around his neck.

And even that pales beside the blamage, the loss of face for the Democrats if they nominate a candidate who is not even a US citizen, thus giving the election by default to the Republicans. That would be the final insult to what is left of the two-party system.
By the way, John McCain was born outside the US, on a US military base in the Canal Zone, but an act of Congress in the 1930's accorded citizenship to all children born to US parents in the Canal Zone. In Barack Obama's case his citizenship hinges first on whether or not he was born in the US; if he was, it then depends on whether he abandoned his naturalized Indonesian citizenship and reaffirmed allegiance to the US between age 19 and 21.

 

In 1961 there was NO Kenya.. it was British East Africa..

Obama would have had to live in Indonesia for ten years and been fluent in the language to apply for Indonesian citizenship.. That's their law.

His mother's marriage had NOTHING to do with his US citizenship.. NADA, Zip.

I can't believe Americans are so ignorant..

 

You must be like the conspiracy hawk . always there to insert random babble that is merely there to distract people. im just gonna give up on the subject, because like i said the BC issue is a non-issue to me. Im really not a birther. i don't hound the subject. merely because Obamas "people" erased all traces of real evidence from the web...

Theres other things that Obama did / is doing thats impeachable, and some things punishable by death. but thats off topic...

But i thought id slip in and insert some facts into the debate, since i hate disinformation...

 

No- feel free to cite a real reference.

Have you looked up the requirements for a U.S. citizen to renounce his or her citizenship?

Have you found any record of a 6 year ever sucessfully renouncing his U.S. citizenship.

 

You can look up Indonesian citizenship laws.. Obama would have had to live there for ten years before applying..

Phil Berg is an idiot...

 

Oh that is priceless. Simply priceless. Pre-election Birther blogs.

Not a single citation from an actual source. Just speculation and innuendo- and in some cases just so hilariously dated that reposting it is just funny.

"Even if Obama is able to provide a US birth certificate(hello dated!), a dozen more insurmountable scandals face this unelectable candidate, which the Republicans can hardly wait to unleash on him after he is nominated"(hello ironic!)

This just goes to show that there are people willing and eager to believe Birther propaganda, even 3 year old Birther propaganda, regardless of the facts or the evidence.

 

Oh come on- you know you want to share some conspiracy nuttery don't you?

OMG- how ironic. You haven't posted a single fact, and posted nothing but Birther propaganda from blogs.

 

Hey- Birthers are not a legitimate example of American ignorance!

Anyway- I think it must be a full Conspiracy Moon tonight.

 

Philip J. Berg (born April 13, 1944) is an American activist attorney who brought a RICO lawsuit charging president George W. Bush and 154 others with complicity in the 9/11 attacks, and another suit challenging the eligibility of Barack Obama to become President of the United States.

More on crackpot Berg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Berg

Funny stuff. He sure has been sanctioned for legal malpractice.

 

margot you're turning into quite the obot, these boys show you the secret handshake and obot decoder ring yet ??

 

Oh I knew about that crackpot Berg back during the Bush administration.

 

you're not thinking of alan berg ? or alec berg

 

No Phil Berg.. He's been sanctioned for legal malpractice over and over again.

The guy is incompetent like Orly Taitz.

 

wasn't foggy disbarred ?

hey here's something

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/11/presidential-candidate-claims-obamas.html

is she a crackpot too?. you are going to see more and more people gravitate to the eventual exposure of obama's sick dream and corruption. you should join the side of purity and the wholesome truth. you know he's a fraud.