The Carbon Tax is a SCAM - austerity measures incognito

Who is "paying a trillion dollars till 2050"? Replace fossil fuels and the "carbon tax" will be zero. It isn't rocket science.

 

PPPPSSSSTTTTT hey bugs.

Dont you know that once a tax has been passed..........

That will be the day dude.

I'll have a few extra ales for that one.

 

Having a full set of Thomas the Tank Engine DVD's doesn't really mean you are in engineering - but nevermind. I am actually an engineer and solar thermal electricity with storage for baseload power is already operating in Spain with much larger plants to go on-line in the USA in coming years.
http://www.torresolenergy.com/TORRESOL/gemasolar-plant/en
http://www.solarreserve.com/


All you need to do to make electricity is boil water. You can do this with the sun very easily

 

Why don't we in the interim convert all the coal fired power stations to LNG, which Australia has an abundent supply of. This would reduce air pollution considerably and very quickly. If Juliar can pull $6 billion out of the hat at a moments notice to give to IMF we obviuosly have plenty to fund this conversion. Why aren't we doing it? Because Juliar is not interested in reducing air pollution she just wants more tax revenue.
We could build a few more hydro power stations, why aren't we doing this? Because Juliar is not interested in reducing air pollution she just wants more tax revenue.
We could build a tidal powered generating station, this has been done overseas successfully. Why aren't we doing this? Because Juliar is not interested in reducing air pollution she just wants more tax revenue.
We could build solar thermal power generating stations, it has not been very successfull overseas but with a little more research it probably will be a good source of clean energy. why aren't we doing this? Because Juliar is not interested in reducing air pollution she just wants more tax revenue.
Why is Juliar reducing the subsidies for domestic PV systems? Because Juliar is not interested in reducing air pollution she just wants more tax revenue.

 

Not really. Fugitive emissions of methane make gas just as bad as coal
http://www.smh.com.au/business/bene...l-they-seem-20111007-1ldi4.html#ixzz1aKNmOM8j

errrr....Ms Gillard did not give $6B to the IMF. Please don't tell lies

By imposing a tax that is revenue neutral.

Yeah, right. Genius.

Could we? Where?

Excellent idea. And the Carbon Tax will make such projects more commercially viable

Excellent idea. And the Carbon Tax will make such projects more commercially viable

The Small Scale Renewable Energy Scheme reduces as the cost of PV reaches parity with the grid. The cost of PV has now virtually reached parity with the grid

 

You need to get your info from authoritive sources Buggs, not short, biased, simplistic, newspaper articles.

HOW CLEAN IS LNG?
Burning LNG in power plants produces roughly 40 percent fewer greenhouse gas emissions compared with black coal. This is based on a series of studies that compared the total lifecycle emissions of both fuels based on extraction, production, shipping and burning in power plants overseas.
LNG also has a higher energy value, meaning it generates more electricity per tonne than black coal.

Sure LNG still pollutes, through the whole production process and burning, but it is much better than coal. Even 'clean' energy pollutes in the manufacturing stage.

She as made it available, same thing. Please put your brain into gear.

Jeezzz, you are such a gullible fool! Better run back to your Labor/Green masters, their boots need licking.

How? Who is going to build them in the first place? Don't forget the coal and gas generators will just pass the tax on to you and me, won't cost them anything extra.

Already pointed out there is no comparison between PV systems and the grid.
It's just political rehtoric to justify reducing subsidies. Do you believe without question everything your Labor/Green masters tell you? Try thinking for yourself.

 

One thing I never hear discussed is….What would be the effects of renewable energies on the earth?

Anyone seen any studies? If we had looked ahead more 30-40 years ago we might have moved toward better energy production sooner. Should this be done now? Do we even have any idea?

For instance…

What would be the long-term effect of geothermal taking heat away from the earth?

Might wind farms affect natural airflow and what effect might this have on local weather patterns?

Can tidal generators affect natural tidal movements and what effect might this have on local marine life?


All these process may have little/no affect at all, just wondering……


An interesting aside – I hear (radio) that Brazil (I think) is looking to spend billions on coal fired power generation. They are concerned that climate change may affect rainfall and they generate some 80% (I think – sorry but was on car radio didn’t take it all in) power from Hydro – what a conundrum that is!!

 

I havent given much thought to this topic, but as far as I can tell this is just another tax which will be passed down to the bottom to the individual taxpayer in the vein hope that in some way this would give reason to companies to invest in renewable technologies - a logic which is corrupted, have no impact on the environment and likely not lead to any real progress in renewables. OP could be right it is an incognito austerity measure to fleece the public in an effort to get the governments books looking more in balance for the election propoganda machines.

I'll stick to the Liberals plan of directly supporting progress and implementation and development of renewable technologies as at least this will guarentee some real progress in cleaning up the environment.

 

There is a potential for induced seismicity with hot dry rock geothermal. That is a bit of an unknown. It is possible that there may be significant impacts - but this technology is still far from being mature

No. That is not really likely.

Wind is very low impact - the main one being visual amenity (and of course the impacts related to the construction materials).

Yes - tidal power could have enormous impact on marine ecosystems. But tidal power could also produce enormous amounts of 'free' energy. Development of tidal will require a balancing act between costs and benefits. There will be impact - but the benefits may be huge.

That is interesting. Yes - reliance on hydro could certainly be threatened in the future. It will certainly become more uncertain

 

The hydro bit is a concern for us, approximately 60%+ of our renewable energy comes from hydro.

 

And so says the very learned Dr Buggs PhD., scientist, economist, accountant, lawyer, sociologist with decades of knowledge and experience, the man who knows everything. Mate, you just pulled all of that last post straight out of your backside!

 

Big Tony has taught you well! Always ignore expert advice!


BTW - it is the very learned Mr Buggs., scientist, engineer, legal expert and energy analyst with decades of knowledge and experience, the man who knows everything.

Don't be frightened of the educated and experienced. You may actually learn something.

 

Yeah? well I'm going to keep you quessing about me. I will tell you though that I have two Bachelor degrees and post graduate qualifications. I do have many decades of knowledge and experience, in fact I could retire. Unlike you I also think for myself and am prepared to question what I am told by others.

 

Why are you making assumptions then?

The Government's legislative package also includes "direct action".

Renewable energy

http://www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au...view-of-the-clean-energy-legislative-package/

Yes the companies will "pass on the cost", however they still must produce their product for a certain price, and we still hand over the money to buy it. If there are two similar products and one company emits less co2 and therefore retails the product at a lower price. Which are you going to buy?

Tony Abbott's "plan" is just hollow posturing and is not a serious plan for dealing with emissions. The coalition threw out their leader who was serious about dealing with this issue.

 

No you don't.

You didn't question whoever told you:

You didn't question whoever told you:

You just swallow this crap hook, line and sinker and regurgitate it here.

Is it time for Jonesy's show yet? Off you go. You don't want to miss your posting topic for tomorrow do you.

 

Not a matter of questioning, I was merely relating the fact that someone told me that the FIT in Queensland was in line for changes. You are the one who failed to question when you said the FIT in Qld. is going to remain the same until 2028. As I pointed out, the Qld. government has already changed the eligibility critera, anyone with any life experience will not believe the FIT will remain the same for another 16 years! But you just believe without question and parrot your Labor state masters.
As for the $6 billion to the IMF, not a matter of question either. It's a fact.
You don't have very good skills when it comes to critical appraisal do you Bugsy.

But anyway, I can see you are just trying to change the subject because you have made a fool of yourself and have been shown up as someone who knows little about the subject.

 

Pay attention. This is not difficult.

The QLD FiT is fixed until 2028. It says so in the Electricity Act. And the PM did not give $6 billion to the IMF.

Don't believe everything Jonesy and Bolty tell you. They are wrong.

 

Bugs, monotonously playing "empty trivial semantics" doesn`t get anybody anywhere. Pledging / giving funds to the IMF is nothing more than "supping with the devil, using a short spoon", this is weak leadership, silly fiscal policy for a Govt of a country in deficit.

Truth denial via shifty delaying tactics needs to be seen for what it is, the perpetual maintainance of stupidity.

 

Trying to dig Adultmale out of the holes he digs with the lies he tells doesn`t get anybody anywhere. He claimed the PM gave $6billion to the IMF. The PM did nothing of the sort.

Even Mr Abbott now understands Australia's commitment to the IMF (a grown-up must have explained it to him)

Perhaps you could find a grown-up to explain things to you?

 

Hey bugs

You maybe educated:

You may have experience:

But socially you may still be a moron.

To be manipulated like a puppet.