I think it is strange that Rumsfeld was "helping" straight after Flight 77 crashed. Did he "know" that no more planes would be hijacked?
He was already at a secure location. One that the Secret Service had already checked out and knew to be secure otherwise he would not have been there.
Secure from what...paper airplanes? When the events of 9/11 began to unfold, we are lead to believe the nation was under attack by an unknown nemesis. How does one protect against an unknown...by letting the POTUS sit in a public school?
I suppose 'darth vader' is supposed to be vice president cheny and of course condoleeza rice........If you want to be taken seriously, use proper names. And I think you could answer my question instead of evading it.
you can't protect against an unknown..they had to know what they were dealing with....the few minutes it took them to do that wouldn't have made any difference....things still happened the way they did
How does one protect against an unknown? By transporting him to another location via a route whose safety and security are unknown? By flying him in a helicopter to that location and making him a nice visible moving target? Better off for the Secret Service to stand there ground and guard him where he was, don't you think?
Look, I will use the names that fit. W was an idiot and in the pocket of wall street and was when analyzed was one of the most damaging potus in history. He took us into 2 uncalled for wars costing us billions. He is without a doubt a war criminal and responsible for thousands of innocent people deaths. I could go on about him but we don't have the band width. Darth is one of the most dangerous people to have ever held office and is a war criminal as well. And if you research him you will find he is complicit in more felony's then can be counted. Not to mention he is in the gang that is trying to under mine this country. Ever hear of David Rockefeller? You really should check this guy out. Condi, what can I say. She was a very disappointing person in so many ways. Not to mention an idiot. I respect the offices, not the idiot's!
Why? What does this have to do with 9/11 conspiracy? Damaging to what? Uncalled for by whom? Congress called for them. The American people called for them. Hell, Osama called for them, and Saddam called for them as well. Why? You have difficulty counting to zero? Are you sure you know what the word idiot means? Do you respect people who know the difference between possessive and plural?
Personally I have always thought the english language was way to complicated. But I see you understood what was being said. Plus after 60 yrs in this world I have grown to respect wisdom over education. With wisdom comes knowledge, with education comes arrogance.
One would think at 60 you'd be past childish names and petulance...Proper names is the Adult way to post...Am I asking too much?
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7OCgMPX2mE"]George W. Bush - 9/11 Bullhorn Speech - YouTube[/ame] Try to pay attention. The subject of your claim was that he was in the pocket of Wall Street. What does Wall Street have to do with 9/11? The only place he ever said this was in the warped fantasies of the liberals who opposed his views. There is zero record that he ever said anything to this effect. Beyond that, it's a odd charge coming from liberals in the first place; given their views regarding what they feel is an antiquated and flawed document. Focus please. You said they were uncalled for. They were called for by Congress, the American people, and our enemies. You did not answer the question, instead you chose to change the subject. Maybe you're not the best person to measure the intelligence of people that have achieved more in half of their lifetimes then twice what most people achieve in their whole lifetimes? Just not knowledge of the english[sic] language then? Because it's to[sic] complicated?
In my opinion yes you are asking to much. The purpose of a forum is for the exchange of opinions correct? It is my opinion and my right to use the names I choose. As I stated in another forum, you do not have to read it if you don't like the content or the opinions.
Well since your posts are filled with charges of idiocy, I figured I should expect at least an attempt at intelligent debate. Am I going to be disappointed?
Fangbeer and Lonestrst8 if you 2 want more I would be glad to get it. Enjoy, and don't disappoint me, I spent a lot of time digging this stuff up. Read it intellectually. Report Warned Of Suicide Hijackings CBS May 17, 2002 "Suicide bomber(s) belonging to al-Qaida's Martyrdom Battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives ... into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the CIA, or the White House." 1999 federal report Two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, an analysis prepared for U.S. intelligence warned that Osama bin Laden's terrorists could hijack an airliner and fly it into government buildings like the Pentagon. "Suicide bomber(s) belonging to al Qaeda's Martyrdom Battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives (C-4 and semtex) into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or the White House," the September 1999 report said. The Bush administration has asserted that no one in government had envisioned a suicide hijacking before it happened. "Had I know that the enemy was going to use airplanes to kill on that fateful morning, I would have done everything in my power to protect the American people," Mr. Bush told U.S. Air Force Academy football team members who were visiting the White House on Friday. It was his first public comment on revelations this week that he was told Aug. 6 that bin Laden wanted to hijack planes. CBS Senior White House Correspondent Bob Schieffer reports that other top officials were less forthcoming. The usually talkative Attorney General John Ashcroft just stared when reporters asked him about the terror warnings. FBI Chief Robert Mueller also refused to comment. White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said the administration was aware of the 1999 report prepared by the Library of Congress for the National Intelligence Council, which advises the president and U.S. intelligence on emerging threats. He said the document did not contain direct intelligence pointing toward a specific plot but rather included assessments about how terrorists might strike. "What it shows is that this information that was out there did not raise enough alarm with anybody," Fleischer acknowledged. Former CIA Deputy Director John Gannon, who was chairman of the National Intelligence Council when the report was written, said officials long have known a suicide hijacking was a threat. "If you ask anybody could terrorists convert a plane into a missile, nobody would have ruled that out," he said. Democrats and some Republicans in Congress Friday raised the volume of their calls to investigate what the government knew before Sept. 11. "I think we're going to learn a lot about what the government knew," Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said during an appearance in New York. She said she was unaware of the report created in 1999 during her husband's administration. Sen. Charles Grassley, a senior member of the Senate Judiciary and Finance committees, demanded the CIA inspector general investigate the report, which he called "one of the most alarming indicators and warning signs of the terrorist plot of Sept. 11." Meanwhile, court transcripts reviewed by The Associated Press show the government had other warning signs between 1999 and 2001 that bin Laden was sending members of his network to be trained as pilots and was considering airlines as a possible target. The court records show the FBI has known since at least 1999 that Ihab Mohammed Ali, who was arrested in Florida and later named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings in Africa, had been sent for pilot training in Oklhhoma before working as a pilot for bin Laden. He eventually crashed a plane owned by bin Laden in Sudan that prosecutors alleged was used to transport al Qaeda members and weapons. Ali remains in custody in New York. In February 2001, federal prosecutors told a court they gained information in September 2000 from an associate of Ali's, Morrocan citizen L'Houssaine Kherchtou, that Kherchtou was trained as an al Qaeda pilot in Kenya and attended a meeting in 1993 where an al Qaeda official was briefing Ali on Western air traffic control procedures. "He (Kherchtou) observed an Egyptian person who was not a pilot debriefing a friend of his, Ihab Ali, about how air traffic control works and what people say over the air traffic control system," then-Assistant U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald told a New York court. "And it was his belief that there might have been a plan to send a pilot to Saudi Arabia or someone familiar with that to monitor the air traffic communications so they could possibly attack an airplane perhaps belonging to an Egyptian president or something in Saudi Arabia." That intelligence is in addition to information the FBI received in July 2001 from its Phoenix office that a large number of Arabs were training at U.S. flight schools and a briefing President Bush received in August of that year suggesting hijacking was one possible attack the al Qaeda might use against the United States. The September 1999 report, entitled "Sociology and Psychology of Terrorism : Who Becomes a Terrorist and Why?" described suicide hijacking as one of several possible retribution attacks the al Qaeda might seek for a 1998 U.S. airstrike against bin Laden's camps in Afghanistan. The report noted an al Qaeda-linked terrorist first arrested in the Philippines in 1995 and later convicted in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing had suggested such a mission. "Ramzi Yousef had planned to do this against the CIA headquarters," the report said. Bush administration officials have repeatedly said no one in government had imagined such an attack. "I don't think anybody could have predicted that ... they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile," National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said Thursday. The report was written by the Federal Research Division, an arm of the Library of Congress that provides research for federal agencies. "This information was out there, certainly to those who study the in-depth subject of terrorism and al-Qaeda," said Robert L. Worden, the agency's chief. "We knew it was an insightful report," he said. "Then after Sept. 11 we said, 'My gosh, that was in there.'" Gannon said the 1999 report was part of a broader effort by his council to identify the full range of attack options of U.S. enemies. The vice president has repeatedly asked Congress not to investigate the intelligence failures. But with the new commotion, the White House now says it will cooperate with an investigation if it's done the right way.
9/11 : Did Bush Do Enough? CBS May 16, 2002 How in the world could somebody have read this document and not had lights, firecrackers, rockets go off in their head that this is something that is really important? Sen. Bob Graham (D-fl) "Members of Congress are raising questions as to whether the Bush administration should have reacted better to warnings in August that Osama bin Laden's followers might hijack a jet. The White House revealed Wednesday night that President Bush was briefed on U.S. intelligence in August, while at his Crawford, Texas, ranch, that bin Laden's network might hijack U.S. passenger planes. CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin first disclosed the fact that the White House had received the bin Laden warning. On Thursday, Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer said all possible action was taken given what was known. "All appropriate action was taken based on the threat information that we had," Fleischer said. The president did not - not - receive information about the use of airplanes as missiles by suicide bombers. This was a new type of attack that was not foreseen. Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., the Senate Intelligence Committee chairman, said the disclosures in the memos marked an important discovery in Congress' investigation into why the FBI, CIA and other U.S. agencies failed to learn of and prevent the Sept. 11 plot. How in the world could somebody have read this document and not had lights, firecrackers, rockets go off in their head that this is something that is really important? Graham said of the Phoenix FBI memo. After the information was presented to Mr. Bush, the administration put domestic agencies on alert in the summer, just months before the Sept. 11 attacks, Fleischer said. That alert was not announced publicly but Fleischer said it may have prompted the hijackers to change their tactics. Members of Congress pointed to three pre-Sept. 11 warning signs : the U.S. intelligence Bush received, the fact that an FBI agent had written a memo urging FBI headquarters to investigate Middle Eastern men enrolled in American flight schools, and the arrest in Minnesota of Zacarias Moussaoui, who was believed to be training for a suicide hijacking. Moussaoui has emerged as the lone defendant charged in the aftermath of the attacks, which killed more than 3,000 people in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. He is charged with conspiring with bin Laden and the 19 suicide hijackers to attack Americans. FBI Director Robert Mueller repeatedly has said he wished the FBI had acted more aggressively in addressing the Arizona and Minnesota leads but said nothing the FBI possessed before Sept. 11 pointed to the multiple-airliner hijacking plot. The disclosure came amid questions about whether U.S. authorities failed to recognize and respond to warnings about possible terrorist attacks before the hijackings of the four passenger planes on Sept. 11. We've got terrorists connected to al Qaeda out in Arizona engaging in flight training, we've got Moussaoui arrested and being interrogated in Minnesota, we've got the president being briefed while he was on vacation in Texas about the possibility of these airplanes being hijacked. I mean, was anything done about any of those things? said Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C. Edwards called on the administration to help Congress investigate what happened, saying there has been some tension from the White House over starting a probe. Mr. Bush made no immediate comment on the situation. He attended a National Hispanic Prayer Breakfast in Washington and said prayer has helped Americans of faith to get through the last eight months. The last eight months have showed the world the American character is incredibly strong and confident. Yet, prayer reminds us that a great people must be humble before God, searching for wisdom - constantly searching for wisdom from the Almighty, he said.
Terror warnings : Who knew what when? BBC May 17, 2002 Washington has said it could not have prevented the attacks In the months leading up to 11 September US agencies and officials received a series of intelligence warnings and reports of suspicious activity. December 2000 Intelligence agencies report "an increase in traffic concerning terrorist activities". February 2001 Instructors at a flying school in Phoenix, Arizona express concern to Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) officials about the poor English and limited flying skills of one of their students, Hani Hanjour. Hani Hanjour aroused suspicion at flying school They believe his pilot's licence may be fraudulent. The FAA finds it is genuine - but school administrators tell Mr Hanjour he will not qualify for an advanced certificate. Mr Hanjour allegedly flew a hijacked plane into the Pentagon on 11 September. April - May 2001 Washington receives a "specific threat" about possible al-Qaeda attacks against US targets in the Middle East, the Arabian peninsular and Europe. May 2001 State Department issues a statement on 11 May warning that "American citizens abroad may be the target of a terrorist threat from extremist groups with links to Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda organisation." On 29 May, the department warns US citizens to "take appropriate steps to increase their security awareness to reduce their vulnerability". June 2001 The FAA issues a warning to airlines of possible hijackings. The State Department issues a worldwide caution and closes the US embassies in Senegal and Bahrain to the public to "review its security posture". July 2001 An unnamed FBI agent in Phoenix, Arizona, issues a memo calling for an investigation into the large number of Middle Eastern men enrolled in pilot training programmes. The agent warns that al-Qaeda could be attempting to place terrorists as pilots, security guards or aircraft maintenance workers. Condoleezza Rice has defended the government's handling of terror intelligence However, senior FBI officials pay little attention to the memo. On 2 July the FBI issues a warning of potential threats overseas and adds that domestic attacks cannot be discounted. President Bush asks National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice to review and assess the apparent upsurge in threat warnings . A counterterrorism group coordinated by the National Security Council meets due to heightened concern over possible attacks in Paris, Turkey and Rome. The US goes on a heightened state of alert after an apparent threat to President Bush at the G8 summit in Genoa. August 2001 As the third anniversary of the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania passes, the FBI issues a further warning urging caution. On 6 August, President Bush receives a report detailing Osama Bin Laden's alleged operating methods, including hijacking. The report is based on intelligence data from a 1998 British report according to officials. Zacharias Moussaoui : Allegedly trained by al-Qaeda On 13 August, the FBI arrests Zacharias Moussaoui, a French national who had raised suspicions among instructors at the Pan Am International Flight Academy in Minnesota. Mr Moussaoui had reportedly paid $6,800 in cash and asked for training on large jets, despite his limited experience. On 16 August the FAA warns that terrorists may have developed a range of modified mobile phones, key chains and pens for use as weapons. French intelligence agencies later disclose that they believe Mr Moussaoui to be a radical Islamist, who has trained at al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. He is later charged with being involved in the 11 September attacks. In late August, the CIA issues an alert to the Immigration and Naturalisation Service over two men it is treating as suspects in the attack on the destroyer USS Cole in Yemen. However it is later disclosed that one of the men - Khalid al-Midhar - had arrived in the US on 4 July. The FBI are warned, but fail to track him down. September 2001 On 7 September, the State Department warns of possible attacks on US military facilities or personnel in Japan and Korea. An FBI agent who questioned Moussaoui reports a vaguely-defined terrorist plot targeting the World Trade Center to his superiors.
I especially like this quote from the idiot! Ole W "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." pResident George W. Bush, September 13, 2001 "I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." pResident George W. Bush, March 13, 2002
What Bush really said: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all. So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did. 3/13/2002 presidential briefing
So out of all I just posted thats all you have? A prepared speech? What did you expect him to say, hey I royally screwed up and even though they did what they did with a few thousand bucks and we had to spend billions in an effort to route him and the "terrorists" out of caves in a third world country that holds very little significance to anyone. Those that want to understand know it was all a ruse to allow the advancement of the global agenda. It amazes me how so many want to believe in the goodness of the heads of state when they for the most part are lier's and cheats with nothing more on their minds then the next election and their own advancement. 9/11 could have been prevented had they paid attention. It was no different then ww11 when they chose to ignore the obvious. I rest my case!
It took you a long time to plagiarize the contents of this website? http://www.angelfire.com/linux/pearly/htmls/bush-911.html That's odd. It only took me seconds to find it. I'll comment more after I have some dinner.
Yeah right...in the middle of a public school filled with children. Of course some people have no problem sacrificing other peoples children, are you one of those type of people?
