The Climate has Been Warmer…

…than it is today, and humans had nothing to do with it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...man-Medieval-times-modern-industrial-age.html

It seems a week doesn’t go by without another nail in the coffin of AGW. So now the watermelons (green outside, red inside) turn to ocean acidification to press their extremist agenda of increased regulation and taxation.

 

Hehe. Denial ain't just a river in Africa... or something only AGW skeptics do.

 

Because carbon dioxide changes the PH value of water.

It makes it more acidic. Just like sulfur dioxide makes acid rain.

 

Water is never acidic.

 

something that is known to every every fish hobbyist and breeder of fish know and you don't, acidic water is any water with a pH of less than 7.0.

 

I have encountered this before, not just here but on other forums, and even in face-to-face discussion. That is why I say to some, AGW is a religion. When FAITH is questioned, the person in the corner can simply claim they are right because they are right.....

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/the_religion_of_global_warming.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/victor-stenger/global-warming-and-religi_b_864014.html

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/global-warming-religion-5912388

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203935604577066183761315576.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/collapse_of_the_global_warming_cult_i6wFd1mBJGFmSaY04CI2EL


And so on.....next someone will post that all these writers are "right wing blogs" or "GOP puppets" and so forth. Which translates to "they are heretics don't listen to them"........

......its so obvious

 

He's picking nits.

 

Water is acidic any time dissolved ions bring its pH below 7.0. It would be more accurate to say that the earth's oceans will never be acidic because of the petatons of dissolved salts that make them alkaline and the additional petatons of alkaline rock, just waiting to be dissolved, that they are sitting on.

 

The salt in the water makes it impossible for the oceans to ever drop to a PH below 7. There is no such thing as acidic oceans and never will be.

 

But there is such a thing as acidification. Increasing the (H+) ion concentration is acidification, by definition, and that's what increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations does. The final pH is not the issue, as acidification occurs at any pH.

 

No before warmmongers got a hold of the word it was making an acid more acidic or when a basic solution becomes an acid. Moving an acid or a base towards 7 is called neutralization. If you add acid to a basic solution you are neutralizing it till the PH reaches 7. Once it goes below 7 adding more acid acidifies it.

Please do a search and omit any references to the ocean created by recent warmmongers. Acidification is a misapplied term the correct term is neutralization but that term was abandoned because it isn't scary enough.

The funny thing with warmmongers and their double speak double think when you do a search for the inverse of acidify and acidification basify and basification they haven't got around to changing those definitions.

 

No. Acidification is bringing pH from above 7.0 to below 7.0, or from below 7.0 to even farther below 7.0. Neutralizing alkalinity is not acidification unless pH goes below 7.0.

 

Like I said it is really scary to see these maniacs at work. They have effectively changed the definition of a words through their minions control of information but they forgot to change the inverse of those words. So now basify and basification are no longer the inverse of acidify and acidification.

Of course I'm sure when the minions realize that they will get around to changing the meaning of those words to.

 

Only a matter of time before the Holocene Optimum becomes the Holocene Warming Catastrophe...

 

No. Adding acid to a solution has always commonly been called acidification, regardless of starting or ending pH. Just as slightly raising the temp of a cold room is called "heating" instead of "decooling" or "neutralizing".

So, which organizations so badly misinformed you denialists with such brazen attempt at PC revisionism of common scientific language? Denialism just can't seem to survive without twisting the language to new unknown extremes.

Anyways, who to trust on this issue ... all of the world's oceanographers, or a couple denialist political cultists? Dang, that's a tough one.

 

If you started with a PH of say.. 8 and lowered it to 7.5...I guess it would be acidification because you lowered the PH.

You would have to add an acid to do this.

But honestly a simple experiment could solve this dilema. Just take a sample of sea water and run C02 through it and see if it lowers the PH.

PS...use an airstone. Because the gas exchange happens at the surface through turbulence...not through the bubbles.

 

I would love to see the results.

 

It wasn't when I took chemistry at university.

There is no neutral temperature, genius.

<yawn> We're not the ones trying to stop climatologists from referring to periods of warm global climate as "optimums."

 

You are moving toward neutral water @ PH 7. It is basic chemistry. Not a college level as Roy claims. It is basics, I took in the high school. It is basics which makes somebody literate. No guesses.

You would have to add an acid to do this.

To neutralize it. It still remains basic, not acidic. It is not sceince, not spliting semantics, but chemistry. Basic chemistry.
http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/184ph.html

Read the posts of people who have basic education. I like to indulge myself with hope that you speak honestly, I&#8217;ve never met a single believer in AWG who has a basic education or understands the concept of honesty. The honest thing for believers in GW would be to start from from a diclaimer stating that have no formal education in subjects they voice their opinion about and that they have no idea that such an education (in difference in education in opinion and beliefs) exists. You cannot lower water in the sea below neutral because of the reasons counted for you by the educated posters above, no matter in which way you can low the PH in a sample taken out of the sea and out of the enviroment of the sea.

 

Just another made-up excuse to raise taxes, impose even more onerous regulations and funnel money to Maurice Strong.

 

Look at 'em rave. How can they deny the problem, if we won't let them revise the language to match the official denialist PC lexicon? They seem to think that if they don't call it acidification, the problem magically vanishes.

 

Water runs from a pH of about 6.5 to 8.5. Below 7 it is said to be 'acidic' and above 7 it is said to be 'alkaline.' But it's still water, you can still drink it and grow plants in it etc. When water rises above 8.5 or below 6.5 it is no longer what we consider to be water.

 

For the past 20 years, I've been putting down sulfur to acidify my soil. Even though it's still alkaline soil, the term for adding sulfur is "soil acidification", because you're adding an acid. (Sort of. Sulfur isn't an acid, but bacteria turn it into sulfuric acid.) Nobody has ever called it "soil neutralization." Good of the denialists to inform me that the common term in use for the practice of adding acid has actually been a socialist plot started many decades ago.

 

When you get a chemical burn and you poor vinegar(an acid) on it is it called acidification or neutralization.

(*)(*)(*)(*) them they aren't chemists. They have no more credibility applying terms for acid/basic chemistry than anyone else who has had CHEMII.