Wm Miller was an idiot. Despite the urging of his supporters, Miller never personally set an exact date for the expected Second Advent. However, in response to their urgings he did narrow the time-period to sometime in the year 1843, stating: "My principles in brief, are, that Jesus Christ will come again to this earth, cleanse, purify, and take possession of the same, with all the saints, sometime between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844"[19] March 21, 1844 passed without incident, and the majority of Millerites maintained their faith. On March 25, Miller wrote to Himes, "I am still looking for the Dear Savior…. The time, as I have calculated it, is now filled up; and I expect every moment to see the Savior descend from heaven. I have now nothing to look for but this glorious hope."[20] As George R. Knight states, the movement’s survival was a result of the fact that, "the Millerite leaders had been ‘soft’ on the time…. They allowed for the possibility of small errors in their calculations and even in some of their historic dates."[21] In fact, on February 28, Miller himself had written, "If Christ comes, as we expect, we will sing the song of victory soon; if not, we will watch, and pray, and preach until he comes, for soon our time, and all prophetic days, will have been filled."[22] Further discussion and study resulted in the brief adoption of a new date—April 18, 1844, one based on the Karaite Jewish calendar (as opposed to the Rabbinic calendar).[23] Like the previous date, April 18 passed without Christ’s return. More study led the Millerites to believe that they had entered the "tarrying time"—a time of waiting after which Christ would finally return—spoken of in Matthew 25:5 and Habakkuk 3:2-3. This belief sustained the Millerites through the months of May to July, 1844. As Knight notes however, this period represented a "flatness in Millerite evangelism," when even the Millerite preachers must have experienced diminished certainty.[24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millerism Neptune isn't a god.. its a planet. Karaite Judism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karaite_Judaism
Why do people believe in "prophesies" about end of the world, whether it be Halley's comet, 2012, sudden sighting of the Blue Blue Behind........ And yet when scientist talk of the damage we are doing to our planet there is outright denial and disbelief?
All of the 10 "planets" were always consider to be Gods. It seems reasonable to hypothesize that Moses discovered Uranus, while sitting high on a mountain shepherding for his father-in-Law. He immediately realized that this was a previously "unseen God," a scientific observation which would assure his acceptance by the Jews/Egyptians to whom he and Aaron would point it out to. The Pharaoh and all the wise men of the court would have no way out with this concrete scientific proof of a God they and their religions had never acknowledged. Uranus was The god of the Jews as far as Moses believed. The plan was simple. Return to Egypt. Show everyone how to observe this new God in the heavens, and start gathering his church, before hauled off to answer to Pharaoh. Once everyone was showing everyone, it would make more sense to reason and negotiate with Moses that to kill as a martyr and useless act that would one exacerbate the problem. The rest is in Exodus: Exodus 3:3-5 And Moses said, I will now turn aside...(from my shepherding tonight, here on this mountain), and... (reminded of my royal training in the art and Egyptian wisdom of Astronomy), ...see this great sight, why...(in the midst of this), the bush... (or branching constellation of stars in the heavens above) is not burnt, (i.e.; Hebrew meaning: spent out, motionless, not moving). And when the LORD (of his Unconscious Mind: [Luke 17:21]) saw that he turned aside to see, (that is, Moses realized this was the sign of a planet, a moving light across the Zodiac), ... God called to him out of the midst of the bush... (or branching constellation of stars in the heavens above) ... and said, Moses, Moses! And he (God) said, (in the inner voice of this incredible insight), "Here am I, (an never noticed planet, Uranus)." And he said, (in the inner voice of this insight), Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest,....... (is the foundation for all earthly religions, the Planetarium wherein you have discovered a new planet, a new God in the heavens, Uranus: [I am "the bright and morning star:" [Rev 22:16]), ... ... is holy ground, (and to you has been revealed the UNSEEN GOD among the seven known planets).
Moses might have "discovered" Uranus but I can tell you right now that the likes of John Hagee has yet to discover his - even if given an atlas
I think the Jews adopted the Babylonian Calendar. http://www.uhcg.org/Cal-Fl-Moon/HasTimeBeenLost.html
Actually I thought he was joking or being sarky. There are eight/nine planets depending on whether or not you count Pluto and Uranus was not discovered or named until William Hershel in the 1700's so........
His kind have succeeded in passing forward the bike into the net generation of followers regardless of the poor theology they developed. But you ought be sure about Moses and Uranus, because this makes rational sense out of what happened in Egypt in 1362BC. Exod. 3:12 And He said, Certainly I, (my sign now visibly in the night sky), will be with thee, (and my sign, Uranus, is clearly in the heavens to show the people before you visit Pharaoh); and this shall be a token, (the once unseen planet), unto thee, (a sign) that I have sent thee, (for no one on earth has ever noticed an eighth planet among the stars): When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain, (where my presence may be noted even more clearly in the sky). Exod. 3:13-15 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel (and show them the planet Uranus), and shall say unto them, "The God of your fathers," (His sign observable in the night sky), "hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, (My four letter monogram is Y. H. V. H.), "I am that, (simply), I am," (right here moving across the sky like the other God-planets), and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, "I am," (the UNSEEN GOD in the planetarium of the seven ancient Gods, he), hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, (YHVH), the God of Abraham, (and Neptune), the God of Isaac, and (Pluto), the God of Jacob, (the invisible Trinity), hath sent me unto you: this, (the permutated tetra-monogram, the initials Y. H. V. H.), is my name for ever, and this, (this newly sighted planet Uranus), is my memorial unto all generations, (I am the bright and morning star: [Rev 22:16])
Yep, and the moon does not a give a (*)(*)(*)(*). Neither does any celestial body give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about Israel or any other country.
After the conquest of Jerusalem (587 BC), the Babylonians introduced their cyclic calendar (see above Babylonian calendars) and the reckoning of their regnal years from Nisanu 1, about the spring equinox. The Jews now had a finite calendar year with a New Year's day, and they adopted the Babylonian month names, which they continue to use. From 587 BC until AD 70, the Jewish civil year was Babylonian, except for the period of Alexander the Great and the Ptolemies (332-200 BC), when the Macedonian calendar was used. The situation after the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70 remains unclear. It is not known whether the Romans introduced their Julian calendar or the calendar that the Jews of Palestine used after AD 70 for their business transactions. There is no calendar reference in the New Testament; the contemporary Aramaic documents from Judaea are rare and prove only that the Jews dated events according to the years of the Roman emperors. The abundant data in the Talmudic sources concern only the religious calendar. In the religious calendar, the commencement of the month was determined by the observation of the crescent New Moon, and the date of the Passover was tied in with the ripening of barley. The actual witnessing of the New Moon and observing of the stand of crops in Judaea were required for the functioning of the religious calendar. http://www.crystalinks.com/calendarjewish.html
Theistic does not "add" when bracketed comments and explanations are interjected parenthetically since this is the Grammatically correct way to so do. You might check the Amplified Bible which does exactly this same thing, commenting, defining, and explaining what its editors believe supplies info within the context. Exodus 3 Amplified Bible (AMP) Exodus 3:18 And [the elders] shall believe and obey your voice; and you shall go, you and the elders of Israel, to the king of Egypt and you shall say to him, The Lord, the God of the Hebrews, has met with us; and now let us go, we beseech you, three daysÂ’ journey into the wilderness, that we may sacrifice to the Lord our God. 19 And I know that the king of Egypt will not let you go [unless forced to do so], no, not by a mighty hand. The Ancient Planetarium of Astrology: 1) Sun 2) Mercury 3) Venus 4) Moon (AKA earth) 5) Mars 6) Jupiter 7) Saturn Uranus 9) Neptune 10) Pluto Exod. 4:1-5 And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they, (the Jews and the Egyptians), will not believe me, (that I come sent by a God unknown to them), nor hearken unto my voice: for they will say, The LORD hath not appeared unto thee, (you have not had a vision, and they will attack and silence me before I can present the sight in heaven to them). And the LORD said unto him, What is that (written) in thine hand? And he said, a rod, (the Cadeus of the Unseen God, the hand of God, itself). And he said, Cast it (before these common men) on the ground upon which they stand, (show them). And he cast it on the ground (where they stood, before their very eyes), and it became a serpent, (i.e.; the wisdom of Astrological Science); and Moses fled from before it, (for it was the expertise of Pharaoh's own wisest men). And the LORD said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand (and show the seven planets on the doubled joints of your fingers), and take it by the tail (of the thumb). And he put forth his hand (marked with the seven planets, seven Gods, all), and caught it, (in the grasp of his fist), and it became a (powerful) rod (of scientific fact) in his hand, (a fist in the sign of the Eye of Providence!): That they may believe that the LORD God of their fathers, (YHVH), the God of Abraham, (Uranus), the God of Isaac, (Neptune), and the God of Jacob, (Pluto), hath appeared unto thee, (once unseen, and now a powerful fist, the Almighty, among the planetarium).
What you are doing is far more insertions in scripture that make it unreadable gibberish. Further, they didn't know about Neptune or Pluto..
Hmmmm,... for sure today, but Exodus and what Moses capitalized upon in ancient Egypt was the culture and society that DID "give a (*)(*)(*)(*)." Moses realized he had great power within a culture where the "stellar theology of Babylon and Egypt, both countries absorbing popular star-worship into the official pantheon of their respective state religions by identification of gods with stars or planets." Pharaoh was a political/religious leader who had the whole nation believing he was the representative of the Gods, here on Earth. It must have been devastating that Aaron was showing the Jews and they in turn, showing the Egyptians an UNSEEN god never mentioned or discussed by a supposedly god-on-earth, i.e.; Pharaoh. Apparently, this God of Moses/the Jews had long been watching the other 7 Gods and the people who worshipped them unbeknown to the congregations:
If you are going to think scientifically, you'd know that there was NO Moses and NO Exodus. Start by looking at a map and the terrain of Sinai.. and who controlled Sinai.. Realize that there was NO water or pasture for 2 million people and their herds... Its a story of redemption and crossing water.. which means out of the ignorance of God (bondage)
Who is "they?" Bracketed commentary, regardless of how long it may be in explanation, STILL, grammatically, does NOT "add" to the context, but merely interjects comments.
Your cut and paste from Theist Evolution.. These stories are morality tales with the same theme.. God's love and redemption.. You are trying to maintain childlike beliefs by inserting a lot of gibberish and making the scripture unreadable. The stories have huge value.. and should be studied if you are a Christian, but not by inventing all that crap... and trying to reconcile them with modern science and outright fabrications.
I read this thread and couldn't stop laughing - sorry. The writers of the bible had no clue what those lights in the sky were and didn't have a clue what planets were. To attempt to associate routine cosmological alignments with omens and biblical prophesies is ludicrous. Might as well get naked and dance around the fire sacrificing virgins for a good harvest. I respect a persons right to believe whatever they want to, however I feel absolutely no obligation to respect the dogma of that belief. I consider hagee et.al. to be charlatans who prey on those who pray. A great racket.
What do you mean "close to"??? As far as I can tell it has passed through non-existent and is in some negative phase space
You MUST be joking, or are totally ignorant of the astronomical insights of the ancients. Today, people in general know nothing about Astronomy, were it not for the few Physicists who study Cosmology and Astronomy few would even care to know. But the ancient were exact in measuring the timings of events in the heavens. The Mayan Calendar was so exact that people today feared 2012, because that was the last date on their all so accurate time keeping by the stars. The Sidereal Clock was used and well understood from earliest times. The peoples who worshipped Venus as the Goddess of Love knew its retrograde orbital sequence to the day, for instance.
There have been many calendars and many, many calendar disputes over the ages. I had NO idea how many.
