The Conference on Founding Principles

Has anyone seen this?

https://www.cfp2020.us/

And they say that the Democrats are splintered.

This is an alternative Republican convention, organized by old school Republicans who do not support Trump. I've watched the first night and so far, really good. Less whining, no propaganda, and no obvious BS. The only part of their rhetoric that bothers me is the frequent mention of god, but as an atheist, I realize I'm in a very small minority, so I can overlook most of that. These are all very intelligent, thoughtful people.

This is coming from a liberal: if these people decide to split with Trump's GOP and form a new party, I might join them.

 

Yeah, it's interesting how many conservatives have abandoned trump and his un-American demagoguery.
Let's hope the con voters are also paying attention.

 

Lol seriously? I started watching and the FIRST thing the FIRST speaker said was “there was a young White guy who shot three protesters in Kenosha last night. And this is what we can expect from Donald Trumps America going forward.”

No propaganda? They point out the fact the guy’s white, which has nothing to do with anything, and then have the audacity to call the people who were about to curb stomp him with a group of 20 people “protesters”.
Get outta here with that bs

 

Don't get me wrong, I like the lincoln project, and when MSNBC wants to talk about race, or Republicans (and usually both), they turn to Steele. I like Steele, even if his being Republican makes no sense to me, at all. I've seen him try to explain it 2 or 3 times, and I just shake my head. An early experience will often cement a persons affiliation, and that's only rarely the result of ideology.

Anyway, so not the point, it would be great if the Saboteur Party dies, and gets replaced by actual conservatives.

Governing from the moral high ground is easy, I do it all the time.

But conservatives face what I see as a roadblock. They support capitalism, the greatest engine of change in human history. But they also want to resist change. But to actually conserve, and preserve, we need to adapt to those changes with everything we've got.

Or else the country will burn, drown, and become a banana republic, all to once.

 

Nope never heard of it or any of the people involved.


I don't think the DNC is splintered at all, I think Biden, Nancy and Chuck are fully backing the Socialist agenda of Sanders, AOC and the crew. The DNC has officially between taken over by the radicals

 

First, the DNC cheats Sanders out of the nomination. Then, they secretly back his agenda. These CT's are about as nonsensical as you can get.

 

they did in 2016...a lot has changed since then. Now they need him to get the DNC base

 

Bernie got cheated TWICE. Where have you been?

Biden is a moderate. Harris as well. Their coalition is broad, and Sanders has a seat at the table. That's all. There is no communist takeover.

 

well it certainly looked like a plan to ensure biden got the nominee...but all is well since biden signed the Commiee Pacr with him and AOC

Harris was voted the most liberal senator in 2019...more then Sanders

https://govtrackinsider.com/our-ide...the-most-liberal-senator-in-2019-bbd25493ca72

 

If Democrat mayors and governors do not get a handle on the #BLMob, you'll see a lot more of this.
And rightly so, for if the state isn't doing its job in protecting your rights to life, liberty, property and self-determination, it then falls to you.

 

I don't care about opinions of her Senate record as much as the fact she was a DA and AG. Perhaps being from one of the most liberal parts of the country makes her appear more liberal than she is. Progressives aren't exactly thrilled with Harris, and are quick to point to her record in the California Justice Dept. as being anything but liberal. Whatever others' opinions, I don't see her as far left.

The "commie pact" is a ceremonial non-binding piece of BS. It's a sign of compromise to the far left. It's necessary for their votes. If Biden wins, we'll get back to the real world. Biden doesn't want MFA, and he doesn't think billionaires shouldn't exist. He spent eight years with Obama rescuing Bush's mess of an economy. AOC won't be in charge. Relax.

 

Wait the fact her most recent and current job is that of a US Senator doesn't matter? How she votes is certainly relevant

Oh so Biden just lied to Sanders and AOC? Wow....what about how Biden himself said he'd be the most left wing?

yeah rescued it by running that failed "Stimulus" buy out to his donors and drove UE over double digits....great job

 

Sanders did not get cheated. He got out-voted both times, fair and square. He got a lot of policy concessions both times as well. Sorry, but with all due respect, it is past time for the "Bernie bros" to quit whining.

 

Of course he didn't get cheated. The contrast between Bernie and Trump is stark, but to me, Bernie's supporters are largely a cult of personality just like with Trump.

 

No, no and no.

There are no commies around the corner.

 

no it doesn’t matter what her current job is and the type of laws she supports? wow

 

Its interesting how right wingers use the same language against Bernie supporters as they do against Corbyn supporters in the UK. Its really just acceptance of neoliberalism. Anyone noticing the irrationality of that stance for the working people is immediately accused of being 'far left'. The truth is that the 'moderates' are merely right wingers playing career politics.

 

I disagree with that last, partly because of the speeches at this very event, some of which should be taught in civics classes in my opinion. I think the moderates, among Democrats, independents, and Republicans, represent most voters -- neither far left nor far right and disgusted with both.

 

I just finished Night 2. Still impressed. Seriously, they need to teach some of these speeches in civics classes.

Has anyone ever heard of the Institute for Political Innovation? The last speaker on Night 2 heads that organization, and she described a very unique process for electing presidents, reps, and Senators.

 

You cant really be a moderate and support neoliberalism. It is a right wing construct. The so-called far left typically are just sensible people that realise that slice.of obviousness.

 

Yes unfortunately these just might split the anti trump vote

But I am dumbfounded by how many splinter groups have formed from the GOP. This group looks different because they actually seem to have a platform whereas many others are just anti trump

 

Your statement seems contradictory. Moderate, by definition, is in the middle of both sides. Moderate support goes both ways. Therefore, you can't be a moderate if you don't support neoliberalism; though you must also support policy that affects the working class. Moderates are mostly pragmatic in their approaches; they take what they can from each side and come to a sensible solution.

 

Most Aussies look like far left to most Americans

 

But our (Aus) middle is left of your middle

 

The moderate, by ignoring political economic reality, simply peddles hypocrisy. Neoliberalism uses market fundamentalism to justify extreme inequalities. Its used to eliminate any power of the working class, falsely suggesting that finance capitalism is somehow natural and consistent with 'well intentioned policy'.

Anyone with any level of understanding of the class conflict created will be deemed to be far left. Far left really just comes a term for neoliberals to bath in their cognitive dissonance.