The coup investigation is about to enter a new phase.

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  1. Lee Atwater

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    CHAIRMAN THOMPSON ANNOUNCES BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT WITH RANKING MEMBER KATKO TO CREATE COMMISSION TO INVESTIGATE THE JANUARY 6 ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL

    (WASHINGTON) – Today, Committee on Homeland Security Chairman Bennie G. Thompson (D-MS) announced that he has reached an agreement with Ranking Member John Katko (R-NY) to introduce legislation to form a bipartisan, independent Commission to investigate the January 6 domestic terrorism attack on the United States Capitol and recommend changes to further protect the Capitol, the citadel of our democracy. The legislation, entitled the National Commission to Investigate the January 6 Attack on the United States Capitol Complex Act (H.R. 3233), will be introduced by Reps. Thompson and Katko today and is expected to be considered in the House as soon as next week.
    https://homeland.house.gov/news/pre...vestigate-the-january-6-attack-on-the-capitol

    This is for those of you fomenting revisionist history.
     
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    Why do you think the spokesman of the Oath Keepers and leadership of the Proud Boys and Trump's lawyers, judges, and top advisors are frauds? I can understand you feeling that way about Julie Annie, but Cipolone and Meadows and Ivanka?

    Or are you so entirely out of touch that you think it's about democrats talking to democrats interviewing democrats about Trump?

    The only way your post makes any sense at all is if one of those two alternatives is true.
     
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    I have no problem with them. I have a problem with the fact the democrats ask them leading questions, edit their responses and refuse to present portions of their testimony which don’t support the democrat narrative.

    There’s a reason why this type of bullshit is considered a kangaroo court. Because ANYBODY can make ANYONE believe ANY case they desire when they get to fabricate evidence, alter testimony, refuse to produce exculpatory evidence and have no rebuttal or defense to contend with lol
     
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    Let's see you prove any of that.

    LOL!!!! I understand your need to avoid facing the truth and to substitute falsehoods, but first it is not a court hearing, and secondly the answers have all been voluntary and voluntarily elaborated by Trump's people with very pointed accusations and incriminations added freely. No evidence was fabricated, no testimony was altered, and no rebuttal or defense is in order. That would be the job of the DOJ if the DOJ decides to indict and prosecute.

    It's really a shame that, like you, so few on your side seem to know how our government and legal system work.
     
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    ShadowX Well-Known Member

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    Here is testimony under oath that Trump told his sec of defense the day before to give Bowser anything she requested. Furthermore he told him he would need 10,000 troops and to “do whatever he needed to do”.

    https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/Miller Testimony.pdf

    If this wasn’t a complete and utter sham, that testimony would be presented. But it’s not because the “committee” refuses to present anything that doesn’t support their absurd argument. And if they’re hiding that information, what else exculpatory have they found that they haven’t presented?
     
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    Would you prefer that someone read those 12 pages to the listening audience, or should it just be entered in the record? Hell, 12 pages. Even I didn't read it.


    And what do you want, ... a defense for Trump by a committee investigating possible criminal activities?????????????????????? LOL!!! Get your ducks in some kind of row for Pete's sake!
     
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    No they could just read this part:

    “I also want to address questions that have been raised in regard to the President’s involvement in the response. He had none with respect to the Department of Defense efforts on January 6. On January 3, in a meeting at the White House with the President and several others regarding numerous unrelated topics, the Mayor’s request for National Guard support was discussed for less than a minute. The President said to give the Mayor the support she requested. I will reiterate that we were already committed to giving that support and the matter was not discussed that evening (or at any time) in the context of seeking or needing the President’s approval.

    On the afternoon of January 5, I received a call from the President in connection with a rally by his supporters that day at Freedom Plaza. The President asked if I was watching the event on television. I replied that I had seen coverage of the event. He then commented that “they” were going to need 10,000 troops the following day. The call lasted fewer than thirty seconds and I did not respond substantively, and there was no elaboration. I took his comment to mean that a large force would be required to maintain order the following day. At the time, I had been advised by our domestic law enforcement partners that based on their experience with protests and crowd control, as well as their intelligence information, that they were confident that they had sufficient personnel assigned to maintain order. More specifically, the National Guard had been providing, and were committed to continue to provide, the support requested by Mayor Bowser. I am unaware of any briefing or any other discussions the President may have had with any other government officials or his advisors regarding law enforcement preparations for January 6.”

    Ill remind you they already deposed him but have presented none of his testimony. Why? Because it’s exculpatory for Trump. And this sham of a committee has no intention of presenting any evidence that doesn’t support this fraudulent narrative they’re trying to construct.
     
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    Are you actually recommending we seriously consider and count the words of a known liar who is being investigated for crimes?
     
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    Pretty sure you guys just put a “criminal” with a tattoo on his forehead as a witness.
     
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    You're not dealing with reality of the facts.
     
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    Strange....you just said the quite part out loud... why is the legislative branch looking for a crime? I thought this hearing was a fact finding mission...... not a criminal investigation. Criminal investigation are the job of the executive branch... Which in fact the executive branch, with one of the most advanced criminal investigative agencies in the world, has already looked into this once and "The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ex...ol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/
     
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    Not quite.

    The original purpose is public information.

    "SECTION 1. ESTABLISHMENT.
    "There is hereby established the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol"

    "SEC. 3. PURPOSES.

    "Consistent with the functions described in section 4, the purposes of the Select Committee are the following:

    (1) To investigate and report upon the facts, circumstances, and causes relating to the January 6, 2021, domestic terrorist attack upon the United States Capitol Complex (hereafter referred to as the “domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol”) and relating to the interference with the peaceful transfer of power, including facts and causes relating to the preparedness and response of the United States Capitol Police and other Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies in the National Capital Region and other instrumentalities of government, as well as the influencing factors that fomented such an attack on American representative democracy while engaged in a constitutional process.

    (2) To examine and evaluate evidence developed by relevant Federal, State, and local governmental agencies regarding the facts and circumstances surrounding the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol and targeted violence and domestic terrorism relevant to such terrorist attack.

    (3) To build upon the investigations of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication of efforts by reviewing the investigations, findings, conclusions, and recommendations of other executive branch, congressional, or independent bipartisan or nonpartisan commission investigations into the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol, including investigations into influencing factors related to such attack."

    https://january6th.house.gov/about

    It is their job, when crimes are suspected, to investigate the situation to determine whether it would be appropriate to turn it over to the DOJ.


    Yeahwell if you had been watching it unfold you would know that in the year since then new evidence shows that the attack on the Capitol could not be anything BUT a coordinated, detailed, and planned event.
     
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    Lol says the guy who is listening to a committee that’s only presenting the facts they like
     
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    Jan. 6 committee subpoenas Secret Service for missing records

    The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol issued a subpoena to the U.S. Secret Service on Friday requesting records after a government watchdog accused the agency of erasing texts from Jan. 5 and 6 after his office requested them.

    Committee Chairman Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss.), in a letter transmitting notice of the subpoena, wrote that the panel sought relevant text messages and reports issued in any way related to the attack on the Capitol.

    “The Select Committee has been informed that the USSS erased text messages from Jan. 5 and 6, 2021 as part of a ‘device-replacement program.’ In a statement issued July 14, 2022, the USSS stated that it ‘began to reset its mobile phones to factory settings as part of a pre-planned, three-month system migration. In that process, data resident on some phones was lost.’ However, according to that USSS statement, ‘none of the texts [the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Inspector General] was seeking had been lost in the migration,” Thompson wrote.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/15/secret-service-subpoena-erased-texts/

    Could have been an innocent mistake. But so far it doesn't pass the smell test.
     
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    Trump Aides Who Resigned On Jan. 6 To Testify Thursday
    Matthew Pottinger, Trump’s deputy national security adviser who resigned immediately after the Capitol attack, will be one of the witnesses at the House Jan. 6 Committee’s next (and potentially last) public hearing this Thursday, according to multiple outlets.

    • Sarah Matthews, Trump’s deputy press secretary who also resigned on Jan. 6, will reportedly be testifying with Pottinger. One of the things she’ll talk about is the push by Trump staffers to get him to release a statement on Jan. 6, the New York Times reports.
    • The hearing will examine what the committee called Trump’s “dereliction of duty” on Jan. 6 and what exactly he was up to as the violence unfolded at the Capitol.
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo/confederate-maryland-attorney-general-gop-nominee

    It is the recounting by witnesses of Trump rewinding video footage of the riot while admiring how the mob "was fighting for me" that tells the whole story.
     
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    Former North Carolina Chief Justice Advised Trump On Election Overthrow Suit, Memo Says

    It appears that Mark Martin, the former chief justice of the North Carolina Supreme Court, advised then-President Donald Trump to have the Justice Department pursue a lawsuit in the Supreme Court to overturn the 2020 election, according to a December 28, 2020 memo recently revealed by The New York Times.

    The Times’ story on the memo focuses on its author, the conservative attorney William Olson. Olson has more recently been in the news for his representation of Mike Lindell, the pitchman for pillows and conspiracy theories.

    In December 2020, the Times reported, Olson told Trump that he might have to fire DOJ officials who don’t go along with the plan — and warned Trump that critics would compare this to the Watergate-era “Saturday Night Massacre.” Olson also urged Trump to task a new White House counsel with examining how “the powers of the presidency” could be used to ensure a fair vote count — acknowledging ahead of time that this would be “martial law.”

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/prime...ed-trump-on-election-overthrow-suit-memo-says
     
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    There was a seemingly minor detail discussed during Thursdays hearing I took note of. The fact that no photos were allowed to be taken and no phone logs were kept during the period Don was watching the riot on TV.......and doing nothing to stop it. If that doesn't scream consciousness of guilt I don't know what does.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Jan. 6 Panel Outlines New Information It Is Seeking Before Hearings Resume

    Reps. Liz Cheney (R-WY) and Elaine Luria (D-VA), both of whom serve on the Jan. 6 Select Committee, on Sunday outlined what new information they hope to gain ahead of additional hearings in September as the panel continues to expand its investigation.

    During the committee’s public hearing on Thursday, committee vice chair Cheney announced that the panel will hold additional hearings in September because it has “considerably more to do” after receiving new evidence and having new witnesses come forward.

    Asked about witnesses she would would want the committee to interview in the future during an interview on CNN, Cheney said the panel has “many interviews” scheduled, which includes members of former President Trump’s cabinet and his campaign.

    “We’re very focused as well on the Secret Service and on interviewing additional members of the Secret Service and collecting additional information from them,” Cheney said.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/january-6-committee-cheney-luria-new-information-hearings

    They just keep pounding the rock.

    Cheney: Jan. 6 Panel Will ‘Contemplate Subpoena’ For Ginni Thomas If Necessary

    Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY), vice chair of the Jan. 6 Select Committee, on Sunday said the panel will “contemplate a subpoena” for Ginni Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, if she does not voluntarily come forward.

    During an interview on CNN, Cheney said the committee is in touch with Ginni Thomas’ counsel and that it hopes she will agree to come in voluntarily.

    Cheney said the panel is the leaving the door open to issuing a subpoena to Thomas if necessary.

    “The committee is fully prepared to contemplate a subpoena if she does not,” Cheney said. “I hope it doesn’t get to that. I hope she will come in voluntarily.”

    “It’s very important for us to speak with her and as I said, I hope she will agree to do so voluntarily, but I’m sure we will contemplate a subpoena if she won’t,” Cheney continued.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/cheney-january-6-committee-contemplate-subpoena-ginni-thomas
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It appears they're getting closer to doing what I believe to be inevitable based on the evidence.

    Jan. 6 Panel Members Call On DOJ To Open Criminal Investigation Into Trump

    Several members of the Jan. 6 Select Committee on Sunday argued that there is enough evidence for Attorney General Merrick Garland to open a criminal investigation into former President Trump after the panel’s public hearings detailed its case that the deadly Capitol insurrection was the result of a multi-step, concerted effort by Trump and his allies to subvert the 2020 election results.

    Committee vice chair Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) told CNN that although the panel hasn’t decided whether to make criminal referrals against Trump, the panel is considering it.

    Cheney said the committee has seen “very serious misconduct and certainly supreme dereliction of duty” by Trump, pointing to the panel’s public hearings that laid out Trump’s corrupt actions amid his refusal to concede the election.

    “But you look at what we have laid out in these hearings in terms of the President’s efforts to corrupt the Department of Justice, to corruptly pressure state and local officials, certainly what he did in terms of attempting to pressure the vice president to violate the law and the Constitution,” Cheney said.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...stice-department-criminal-investigation-trump
     
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    ""the panel hasn’t decided whether to make criminal referrals against Trump, the panel is considering it."
    So the heading is just more MSM lies..
    So close yet so far away...

    July 3, 2022
    Cheney says January 6 committee could make multiple criminal referrals, including of Trump
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/03/politics/liz-cheney-january-6-trump/index.html


    Thompson’s claim that Jan. 6 committee won’t criminally refer Trump or others to DOJ meets resistance from committee

    June 13, 2022

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/13/poli...iminal-referral-justice-department/index.html
     
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    No it isn't. It didn't say the committee called for a criminal investigation, it said members........as in some members........did.
     
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    Jan 6 Panel Releases New Videos Showing Trump’s Reluctance To Condemn Insurrectionists

    Then-President Trump crossed out “you do not represent me” in a draft statement his staff prepared for his video address on Jan. 7, urging him to condemn the mob of his supporters who breached the Capitol on Jan. 6.

    That’s all according to a new video just released on Twitter by Jan. 6 Select Committee member Elaine Luria (D-VA).

    The video, which Luria posted Monday morning, just days after the committee’s eighth public hearing, included a series of taped depositions from figures in Trump’s inner circle.

    Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and then-senior adviser, recalled asking then-White House spokesperson Jason Miller about putting together a draft statement for Trump to deliver on Jan. 7.

    There were allegedly concerns that the 25th Amendment could potentially be invoked unless Trump issued a stronger statement condemning the insurrectionists, Cassidy Hutchinson, former aide to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, recalled in the recently released video testimony.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...mp-statement-condemn-capitol-insurrectionists

    Add another item to the list of things that would end the political career of any other politician except the Orange Messiah.
     
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    More alleged concerns someone allegedly had.....you can't make this crap up but it looks like some folks will try.
     
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    Remember the word.... "Insurrection"...... there is a reason this word is constantly used and that is the end goal in the court of public opinion...

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    Finally, there's absolute confirmation.

    Justice Dept. investigating Trump’s actions in Jan. 6 criminal probe

    The Justice Department is investigating President Donald Trump’s actions as part of its criminal probe of efforts to overturn the 2020 election results, according to four people familiar with the matter.

    Prosecutors who are questioning witnesses before a grand jury — including two top aides to Vice President Mike Pence — have asked in recent days about conversations with Trump, his lawyers, and others in his inner circle who sought to substitute Trump allies for certified electors from some states Joe Biden won, according to two people familiar with the matter. Both spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.

    The prosecutors have asked hours of detailed questions about meetings Trump led in December 2020 and January 2021; his pressure campaign on Pence to overturn the election; and what instructions Trump gave his lawyers and advisers about fake electors and sending electors back to the states, the people said. Some of the questions focused directly on the extent of Trump’s involvement in the fake-elector effort led by his outside lawyers, including John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani, these people said.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/07/26/trump-justice-investigation-january-6/
     

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