The dangers of Oil

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  1. Green Man

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    But it could work, maybe. We just got to sxxx where we eat like they forgot to teach that monkey.
     
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    Are the first two hits of a bing search all you can come up with? Come on. The question was not whether fuel from biomass can substitute for MORE fossil fuel use, which for sure it can (ever wonder why it doesn't?), the question was whether it can substitute ALL fossil fuel use. The question to the last answer clearly is NO, because there is not enough biomass available for the current world energy use. Now, I challenge you again to disprove that point, but I think I'll get another one liner with zero information in it. After that, I'll rest my case.

    I am actually not against the use of biofuels, quite the contrary. I'd just challenge the notion that biofuels will save us from fossil fuels running out.
     
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    That’s an interesting question I’ve never looked into. Are you using GtC for comparison?
     
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  4. Pieces of Malarkey

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    In the US there's a fairly time honored way of resolving the issue of "climate change".

    If you are so certain that climate change is a mortal threat, simply get 218 Representatives in the House and 60 Senators in the Senate to vote for an amendment to the Clean Air Act that clearly declares CO2 a pollutant and authorize EPA to regulate it. Easy peasy.

    The fact that the cowards can't do that and instead cheat the system through the courts tells you all you need to know about that hooey.
     
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    No I linked the entire search criteria, I'll do it AGAIN just for you ;)
    could biofuels replace fossil fuels - Search (bing.com)
     
  6. Green Man

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    I wonder how many gallons of bio-diesel an EPA regulator could be converted to.
     
  7. Quantum Nerd

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    I used estimate of total world biomass in tons, amount of energy yield per ton of biomass, and compared to the total world energy usage. I am at work, but have the numbers at home (looked them up this morning). I can post them later.
     
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    I can google myself, thank you very much. I was asking for YOUR analysis of the question, not 1000 bing links that do not address the question. Obviously, I am hitting my head against a brick wall.
     
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    I think we should aim to produce more of all fossil fuels than we need to consume, and save the rest for a rainy day. But certainly we shouldn't be restricting our own production while buying it from foreign dictators.
     
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    The unspoken context of the above is what time-frame are we talking about?

    The market will never wait until it runs out. That is why it will exist for a very long time. The problem isnt that it will run out but that it will become very expensive due to lack of supply and this could be disruptive to the economy.

    This means we should prepare alternatives and invest in advancing science/technology to reduce the disruption. I think 99% of conservatives agree with this. What they don't agree with, is causing the disruption earlier by artificially ending oil before the technology and alternative infrastructure is built. Such a thing is arguably damaging and even dangerous for society.
     
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    Like you said, you can google yourself, so Git'after'it ;)
     
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    Uh-huh.
    The conservative false narrative is that anyone is talking about seriously ending oil production here in the states. Look at some of the conservatives posts here showing the materials we depend on that use oil as if anyone was talking about banning oil completely. As a matter of fact dont you want oil based products to remain cheap? If so then we do have to consume less. We have a consumption problem, and we shouldn't have to drill more to keep prices down.
    We just need to consume less, and vehicle mandates is a good step in that direction.

    The fact is nothing is stopping American oil companies from drilling more. They just want to be subsidized for doing it, despite the fact they are raking in massive profits.
     
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    I think they are mostly bullshit, so it be fertilizer ;)
     
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    The same applies to Canada, only they have reserves far in excess of their domestic needs. They have leftist MPs who blabber away about not looking for any more oil in their country when they have by far the largest reserves of any free country. Why should we prop up murderous regimes when we could direct more of our money to people and nations who won't take our money and then turn around and attack us?
     
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    You complained because I opposed them! Why would you complain about that if you didn't support them?

    So now we know that you just write... anything... to criticize what I write even when you agree with it. I'm truly not interested in engaging in that kind of nonsense.... Thanks anyway...
     
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    Read your post twice. Couldn't find anything that was more relevant to anything you quoted than this first sentence. Which is zero.

    Try making a point....
     
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    I fully support buying Canadian oil. I mean, I'd rather buy United Statesian Oil from United Statesians, but Canada works too.
     
  18. Golem

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    Look. I'm not going to waste my time reading another one of your loooong posts only to find in the end that you had no point to make.

    If you have a point to make, make it! If not, thanks for playing...
     
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  19. Pieces of Malarkey

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    OK, it's a stupid idea you came up with there.

    Simple enough for you?
     
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    I probably should but I've already wasted too much time arguing with the climate change cult. Sometimes life's experiences supersedes what you see in print. When you discern their motives, you see it in a different perspective.
     
  21. Golem

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    You understand that we don't "produce" fossil fuels. They were produced billions of years ago and will never be produced again. So we extract them until they run out.... or the planet burns. Whatever comes first.
     
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  22. Golem

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    That was your point? I don't know what "idea" you're talking about, but looks like I was right in that you didn't have any point after all.
     
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    The point is that you are an ideologue and it is the narrative that supersedes all else you put forth. It's no fun playing with somebody who must conform his thinking to such a narrow perspective.

    Lose the narrative and re-join the open-minded [like progressives used to be]. Do you find any leftists among the great men [who actually accomplished something] in history?
     
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    Agreed
     
  25. Golem

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    Ok. That's what I thought your point was. I'm not the topic of this thread. But if that's all you have to counter mine, it means my case is made

    Thanks for playing
     
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