The Doctrine and Covenants proves the entire New Testament is true

On your condemnation.

What did you do that earned you hell?

You ran from that question before.

Go away, moral coward.

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DL

 

This is an outright lie.

Show your proof or evidence or be see as the liar you are.

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DL

 

???

While you have decided, because of your notion that a genocidal god is good, to adore a an immoral garbage god.

Who is more moral?

Not you.

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DL

 

sounds like your Jesus believed as I do, the tunnel of light is the doorway to rebirth, very few will step out of the light to the broader path, they will stay on the narrow path and be reborn again and again

 

By what deed did I earn your condemnation? Yet you mock the notion. So mock yourself, wise guy. Be what you hate, and hate who you are. It's no skin off my back.

 

You are the one saying it's a lie. Present your evidence. I'm giving you this word from God through His servants the Prophets. Now, prove me wrong.

 

There you go again. Deciding that removing evil from the world with no ability to get rid of it in any other way without taking away free moral agency from those inhabitants before the Flood of Noah is evil. You would rather that God continue to let evil run the world without any ability to change it except with a flood, nuclear explosion like with Sodom and Gomorrah. OF COURSE! That's what you want. Satan to be the God of this world which would be pure evil in all inhabitants. Got it!

 

Only those who already know can know it, Cougarbear. What astonished me after the Holy Ghost gave me revelation that God lives and has called his servants to labor in his field, was the fact that such a "marvelous work and wonder", that such a magnificent holiness was afoot in the world, and neither I nor the world was aware. It was and still is a mystery to me that something so grand could be invisible, silent, trumpetless, unmeasurable and untouchable. I only know that it is true. But it cannot be proven anymore than Mary could prove her conception by the Holy Ghost.

 

Well, there was a LOT of development of monotheistic religion that was based on Jesus following Paul and John. Stating that there were no prophets is really no more than an opinion. After all, had there been a prophet, he would have been killed and his followers similarly treated along with any record of what they believed.

Naturally, Christians alive today believe in the versions of Christianity that escaped the major assaults on early monotheistic divisions, destroyed the religious documents of those various communities decided were false in some way, killed those they saw as not conforming to their own various sects - and had the political power to win the approval of Constantine and those he invited to craft what THEY decided was Christian.

So, you can say anything you want about these ancient monotheists who believed in Jesus, but were slaughtered for not doing it the "right way".

 

This is truly a marvelous work as well as the Book of Mormon. The Bible was preserved the way the Lord wanted it inspiring those who were in power to keep that which was sacred so that their generations and those to come would not be wasted, blind and deaf to them. The Book of Mormon is called another testament of Jesus Christ. By two or more witnesses the truth is witnessed and taught. The two books of scripture were prophesied in the Book of Ezekiel as the sticks (books) of Judah and Joseph (through Ephraim) would be one in our hands to know the truth.

 

I have done a lot of research on LDS, Joseph Smith and the Church Elders who claim to have a direct dialog with god. I know several families who are LDS and are very nice, solid people. I think history exposes Smith as a world class con and grifter who loved having a bunch of young women to have sex with and was great at making up stories. I compare him to L. Ron Hubbard and there are certainly many similarities present. Generally LDS people do not cause much trouble (except people like Laurie Vallow and Chad Daybell or Warren Jeffs and his crew)

At many different points in LDS history it seems that the original doctrines have radically shifted in ways that indicate to me that it’s really more about the money than about god. Once they realized that they could not hold on to any real political or financial power as long as they continued to practice polygamy, they sod out and went against their own doctrines. Originally, Back People could not be admitted into the priesthood in LDS as they were seen as offspring of the evil Bible character Cain. After the civil rights uprising in the 1960s many Americas considered LDS a racist organization. (they were as I found from the several families who I knew and tried to recruit me and my family in the late ‘60s) However always keeping their eye on the $$$, after Stanford University refused to schedule BYU on either their football and basketball seasons because of racial bigotry, it seems that the heads of the church talked to god who told them that now black people were ok.

That said, I do not think LDS is much if any sillier than most world religions and the rules they have set forth are generally heathy and make for good families. Not many practicing Mormons are drunks, druggies or whore chasers. I wish them all well.

BTW: I also read somewhere that the LDS through their ownership of Marriot is the largest purveyor of pornography in the US. They make millions every day selling pay per view porn in their hotels and also make a fortune selling booze at airports and train depos.

 

By your outright lies.

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DL

 

What an ass you are.

Your own dogma says that your god gave Satan dominion over us, and that Jesus is to return to use genocide once again with Armageddon.

You complain and whine about me and an imaginary Satan, --- for what your god has crated.

What a stupidly pathetic mind you have.

All for the love of a genocidal Yahweh and Jesus.

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DL

 

You did that yourself, stupid.

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DL

 

You seem to be confused and it makes sense because it looks like you've come to your conclusions through the writings of anti-Mormons. I person with real intent to know truth doesn't limit themselves to one side or the other. For instance, you grouped other "LDS" with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Salt Lake City, Utah. The others are not associated with us. They are apostate break offs from the Church Joseph Smith helped start. L. Ron Hubbard was an atheist. His teachings aren't anywhere similar to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

You, like many, confuse "doctrine" with "administration" of the Church. Even members do so quite a bit. For instance, the Priesthood and Blacks. You may not have known that Blacks were always able to be baptized members of the Church. There isn't actually any evidence on why the administration of disallowing Blacks to receive the Priesthood. There were many stories and ideas on why, but were all wrong. The most likely one was that many members at that time were living in southern states. There were laws against Blacks being ministers. Certainly bad times. But, the change was made, not because of doctrine, because of administration. And, the change had nothing to do with Stanford University. They weren't even in the same football league. The same Stanford University that football players in the 70's cut off the head of a horse in one of the bathrooms in a dorm. Who cares if we played them or not. BYU was in a league already and played only 1 or 2 P5 level teams back then a year. And, BYU is not the Church either. I was there at BYU when the change was made in June of 1978. There were many Blacks that attended BYU at the time. When it was announced over the school's intercom, there was happiness and joy by everyone. I didn't see nor hear any objections anywhere. Oh, there were the bigots, about 5%, that objected. And, It was time, past time. But, it had nothing to do with money. BYU football and basketball help with the School, not directly the Church financially. Can't believe people still believe this nonsense.

As far as Joseph Smith, he followed the Lord. What he accomplished wasn't done by mankind. When you look really deep into the real doctrines and how everything came to be, it could only be accomplished by the hand of God. As for the polygamy, nothing different from Biblical times. So, that is actually doctrine with restrictions. There is a list of women he was sealed to. But, sealings are different than your earthly marriages. In those early days, when the doctrine was first revealed, it wasn't understood well. You many forget there was no internet back then, no phones, no TV, no satellites, no cars, planes to move information. There were men sealing themselves to Joseph, not for marriage or sexual relations. But, they thought they had to perform the rites to be with Joseph in the Celestial Kingdom. As years went by, the explanation for sealings, which is also biblical, came forth as pertaining sealing families together for eternities. Husbands and wives and their children to them. I've put on this site published information and links as well that explain the event of the 14 year old girl. When you get the real information, you realize those sealings (not marriages) to young women (in fact most of them) were much like many cultures of that time and earlier where parents arranged future marriages when children are small. Her parents were obviously one of those who thought everyone had to be sealed in order to get to the Celestial Kingdom. There was no sexual relations probably with most of them. There is no evidence of mass children with Joseph Smith. The ending of polygamy wasn't related to money. Heck, the Church got even more poor after they entered the Union. It wasn't until President Snow's revelation from God to make tithing the way out of poverty for the Church and the members as well. The welfare program became stronger as members paid their tithes and offerings for the poor and the needy. Is the doctrine of polygamy gone? Nope. Just the administration of the doctrine, for now. Heck, with gay marriages legal and all sorts of sexual miss-behavior going on, who knows! If it does happen, does that mean the Church will reinstitute polygamy? The likelihood of that is no, at least not right away.

 

That should get you some bad behavior points from the site police. I always view reactions like this as a realization that I'm right. So, to save face, name calling happens. It's not my dogma. It's your miss-interpretation of my words. Or, your inability to comprehend simple English. God didn't give Satan any dominion over us. Through our free agency, we can invite Satan and his hosts in to influence our thoughts. But, we are still agents unto ourselves and can still choose as long as there is still the Light of Christ in the World. But, sometimes that light is extinguished. Jesus came into the world to atone for our sins when we choose evil over good. Such as you are currently doing. And, it won't be Jesus who causes those who are wicked to die. It will be themselves. All those who have turned against God will cause world wide destruction and for natural events to cause much death and destruction as well. What will happen is that Satan and his hosts will be kept in a spirit prison for a thousand years. So, much of the temptation will no longer be present. Death will actually stop for those who are willing to live under the government of Jesus Christ from Old Jerusalem to New Jerusalem. Temple work will increase and the work for the dead will be completed. Then, all those born during the Millennium (no death) will and must be given the right to choose good or evil. Satan will then be loosed for a season to tempt those so they may have their life examination. Then, the Battle of Gog and Magog will be the final battle. The world will be celestialized and the judgment will begin. The morning of the first resurrection will happen and they will be raised to Celestial Glory, Then, the afternoon and evening for those bound for Terrestrial Glory and Telestial Glory (1Cor. 15 and Doctrine and Covenants 76).

 

I knew you could not do it. Proving me right again.

 

That's rich coming from you.

Then we are both left none the wiser.

 

Unbelievers are over educated. They come up with say, ten reasons not to believe. If you examine one and prove it to be unfounded, they stick with the nine remaining and dredge up several more. And on it goes. If you disprove a couple more of their reasons, they cling to the remainder, cast their eyes about and drag up others. So they began with ten and wind up with twenty. Sorry they say, but you cannot enter. And the concept of the questionable nature of their several gatherings does not occur to them that the remainder might also be questionable. Neither does it in their estimation add to the validity of salvation. So one must conclude that they simply do not want to know. They are stoic in their unbelief, and at ease in life. That they live and breathe, conceived and birthed by their Parents, that life has led them to this point, having met the necessities of life, to work, house, clothe and feed themselves. This fulfillment is their all, their God. They are Kings and Queens who decree that what is, is, and that what isn't, isn't. If what you say or offer doesn't add to what they know, are, or believe, and if it doesn't increase all of what they already are to what they were born, they reject it. Truly Jesus knew of what he spoke when he said "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God". Granted, it would be impudent towards balance to abandon ones mind and run babbling scriptures in madness, and call it a rebirth. A reasonable God requires no such frivolity. But if one could in earnestness, within the strong security of reason, simply consider that God may be, and that salvation may well be a legitimate offering. Then one may well find a leverage or pivot point to the divine while within the security of stoicism as one might speak to a trusted friend or ally in confidence. It is odd that the learned speak of alternate realities and dimensions, yet dismiss the concept of God and heaven as if it were a frivolous, magical diversion from strong science, a science which in fact is not more than theory.

 

Not true.

You have informed us that you are a liar.

Regards
DL

 

Is that what you tell yourself to make yourself feel superior, to take your mind off what you really are? It sounds exhausting. Even were it true, it wouldn't repair a speck of fault within you or bring you one iota nearer to the unattainable. The fact that it isn't true, but that you bore witness that it is makes you even farther from the unattainable. The ninth commandment is pretty clear.

 

You are the liar, and my pointing it out is supposed to make me feel better.

Keep lying, even to yourself.

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DL