The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy!

Because of post 135 1/2, I withdraw from this thread. You are guaranteed the win here.

 

Most people cant identify the president and vice president and 90% don't know what the Fed is so we definitely have no reason to trust the people to vote intelligently so should always go with the wisdom of our genius Founders.

 

The EC is going to do it's "damn job." You just don't like the result.

And if the electors were selected on a district basis, then Trump is still the winner if the electors were of the same party as the congressmen and senators that were elected this time. So you still lose.

 

The EC has nothing to do with protecting small states and does not.

Compare how many trips the candidates made to North Dakota compared to Florida.

States are represented in Congress. The constitution was ordained by We the People, not by the States.

The people should decide the president. Not the States. Unless you are a Statist, I suppose.

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If the EC doesn't do it's job there is no reason for it. It just deprives the people of their choice. It was a Democrat this time, next time it might be a Republican.

The EC doesn't "shield" small states at all.

 

So in that view we should move closer to the Hamilton model where EC electors and chosen independently by district, not be state, and given the independent power to consider and choose.

And the EC should do its job and get Donald out of office.

 

obviously if the people don't know who the presdient and vice are the people have no business deciding!!! Do you understand this simple concept???

 

No, the EC voters are Republican lackeys who are going to vote for Donald because that is what they are told to do.

 

The Electoral College favors voters in small states - Statistical ...
andrewgelman.com/2004/10/13/the_electoral_c/
Oct 13, 2004 - It is well known that the Electoral College favors small states: every state, no matter how small, gets at least 3 electoral votes, and so small ...

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The Electoral College favors voters in small states - Statistical ...
andrewgelman.com/2004/10/13/the_electoral_c/
Oct 13, 2004 - It is well known that the Electoral College favors small states: every state, no matter how small, gets at least 3 electoral votes, and so small ...

 

OK, you don't trust the American people. Not very conservative of you, but I can appreciate that. That is why we need things like SS, right?

See my post above as to what system we need for that view.

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OK, you don't trust the American people. Not very conservative of you, but I can appreciate that. That is why we need things like SS, right?

See my post above as to what system we need for that view.

 

The Electoral College favors voters in small states - Statistical ...
andrewgelman.com/2004/10/13/the_electoral_c/
Oct 13, 2004 - It is well known that the Electoral College favors small states: every state, no matter how small, gets at least 3 electoral votes, and so small ...

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no idea what is has to do with SS or other programs?????????????

 

A fair number of them are Democratic lackeys who are going to vote for Hillary because that is what they are told to do. To your chagrin, there are more Republican lackeys than Democratic ones.

C'est la vie!

 

Yes, Democrats are interested in equal representation under the law.

Republicans are very clearly not interested in that as demonstrated by their direction of putting their finger on the scale in several different ways.

Dems would NOT "end the republic". There is nothing wrong with states making significant decisions. Running everything out of DC would be ridiculous. For example, why should Wyoming have to have the same gun laws as inner city Chicago?

As you surely know, the "people" have always been in favor of discrimination - at least until they experience the alternative for a while.

 

The electoral college is in the Constitution. It will not be turned over. Get over it already. The next time it may go your way.

 

only if the libsocialists can broaden their appeal beyond the left coasts.

 

sure there is!! That's why Washington DC is 94% black and voted almost 100% Democratic in this election. Liberals want all power in DC because they imagine insanely it only can do good for the nation!! Republicans are the exact opposite.

 

Thank god the dead democrats plus the illegals vote did not tip it for Clinton.

 

Or quit thinking they have won before even starting a campaign.

 

I have no idea what you are trying to argue here.

The discussion is about the electoral college.

And, yes, Republican ideas don't fare too well in Washington DC - or in other large cities, for that matter.

Republican presidential candidates don't fare well in large cities in Texas, either.

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All you've got is hype oriented to excusing efforts to deny the vote to US citizens you hate.

 

If you're a Republican you mean since they prefer divided power while Democrats treasonously always want a more powerful central govt

 

There is no possibility of calling that treason.

But, it doesn't matter, because what you are suggesting is absolutely unsupportable.

All you can say is that there ARE issues where we need to be one nation - where decisions in one state DO affect another state.

When you pollute the water and the air, it affects neighboring states where those rivers and that air goes.

When one state marries someone, the thousands of lines of federal law on marriage have to recognize that. Plus, Article IV directs other states to recognize the marriages of other states.

Etc.

That's not increasing the scope of federal government.

 

why not? We were supposed to have more power in the states but Democrats have treasonously subverted our country

James Madison in Federalist paper NO. 45: "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce."

 

Help me get it. I spoke not of hate, but dead Democrats. Do you consider the dead still legal citizens?

Next I spoke of illegal aliens. How can you turn those from illegals into citizens merely on your say so?

Last, explain whom it is that I hate?

 

Oh god lord. Let's try to keep this discussion serious.

 

Yeah, actually discussing the principles behind our system is ridiculous.

 

You are trying to suggest only Dems die??? Yes, some states do a crap job of maintaining their voter registration databases. So fix that and stop using it as an excuse for deleting the registrations of living citizens who have low income or are minorities.

Do not accuse me of saying stuff I have never said.