The "Frog Boiling" Strategy of the "pro-life" movement...

Abortion is the deliberate killing of a distinctly new human being in any stage of
development.

"Pro-choice" is just a polite term to ascribe what is actually taking place.

This is the mentality of some of the people who support killing the unborn...the baby goes right to the landfill, and it's off to the discotheque for the "mama"

 

Simple, Sam....because you always end up contradicting yourself and showing yourself to be disengenuous....

but don't worry. many "pro-lifers" are just like you.

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So when "pro-lifers" support a 20 week restriction....they really want a total ban....and they are trying to fool people?

 

A 20 week restriction is the first step in the endgame. Pro lifers arent trying to fool people for the sake of it, they just cant get laws passed if they are too direct about their agenda.

 

Sam....except for denying that "pro-lifers" are trying to fool people, while at the same time, admitting they "can't be TOO DIRECT about their agenda"........................

you're agreeing with my OP.


WHY can't they be "too direct about their agenda", Sam???

 

Because it wouldnt work that way. People would think the laws they were trying to pass are too crazy/extreme, and they wouldnt be accepted. But if they change things little by little, then thats a different story.

 

You mean if they quietly and dishonestly l try to sneak legislation through so no one would notice that their rights are being taken away by those who don't believe in rights.




If it was what most people wanted it wouldn't be too "crazy/extreme".


Have you given any thought as to why it would be viewed as "crazy/extreme"? Like maybe it IS crazy/extreme.......


Have you given any thought to the fact that you think Anti-Choicers HAVE to be dishonest to get their way?

 

So the "pro-lifers" have to FOOL people into thinking their end-goal is NOT the "too crazy/extreme" position....so they'll accept it......by changing things only "little by little".


I seriously doubt you see what you're doing....do you, Sam?

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I almost feel sorry for Sam.....he doesn't see it.

He denies the "pro-lifers" are trying to fool people.....but when asked why they don't go for a total ban, he says "Because it would be too extreme and people wouldn't accept it....so we have to fool them little by little into accepting extremism."

 

how does it feel to have those tactics used against those (Liberal Progressive animals) people after they've used that very same tactic.........................

 

Specifically?

 

How else do you think laws are changed? Unjust laws are usually changed by changing things a little bit at a time. For example, how else do you think Iranian laws regarding freedoms are becoming more liberal than they were decades ago? While those religious freaks are so sick and crazy that they make music with female singers illegal, their music laws are less restrictive than they used to be.

 

So you want America to be just like Iran? Going off topic because you can't address posts.....again?

 

I have no "agenda," my end game is to enlighten. To discuss what an abortion, what it entails and to strip away the nice and polite terms like "women's right to choose."

This is a surgical procedure that kills a living being...a being that may be scientifically defined as a human being. Cell theory is very clear, that cells can only grow from pre-existing cells. Every single person discussing this, began their life as a human being as a one celled zygote...containing 50% of your mother's DNA, and 50% of your father's DNA. Abortion kills a human being.

Now we can talk about what should society do with an unwanted child, how can we prevent unwanted pregnancies, etc. However the conversation should begin with intellectual honesty and that is that abortion is choosing to kill. Pro-choice involves making a choice...to kill.

I don't see any difference in the humanity of a 2 week old fetus or a 32 week old fetus...they are both equally human in the eyes of biology...in cell theory.

Society just rationalizes killing a 14 week old fetus "isn't so bad" since the fetus hasn't taken on the recognizable shape of what we would regard as a baby. It is still biologically...every bit as human as a baby that is carried to term.

In all honesty, the only intellectual dishonesty I see...is that conducted by some of the the pro-choice element which fails to even recognize the ugly truth that abortion is about the intentional killing of a human being....

Society is in essence looking away from the horror as the "problem" is swept under the rug.

The terminatioin of an unwanted pregnancy involving an abortion...involves the act of killing. No amount of perfume and lace will cover up that reality.

 

NO! I never said that. The Iranians are crazy religious freaks. I used the analogy of pro lifers changing unjust laws little by little, to liberal Iranians changing crazy Islamic laws little by little.

 

Nobody's covering up anything, abortion kills the fetus, that's what it's supposed to do.

There's no sweeping anything under the rug. A fetus is NOT a human being. It may be human but it isn't A human being.

There is a BIG difference between a 2 week old fetus and a 32 week old fetus ...just because YOU can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.
And that doesn't matter anyway since most abortions are done long before 32 weeks...

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Then quit changing the subject and address post 61 .....IF you can HONESTLY......

 

No response.....Guess he couldn't answer honestly

 

Abortion is the removal of life support. No woman should be forced to provide life support against her will.

No, that is just your demonization of people who disagree with you. The remains of a miscarriage or abortion are most usually incinerated because they are not regarded as people, and never have been.

 

So you're a hypocrite.......AND admitting that "pro-lifers" have to LIE to get their agenda enacted?

Okay.


BTW, it's interesting....you want to stop abortions, but you support killing homosexuals.

 

1. Sam you already admitted that YOUR agenda is "too crazy" or "extreme" for most Americans and you have to SNEAK it past them to get it enacted.

2. You're comparing you wanting to take away rights....to Iranians fighting for rights. Remember, it wasn't that long ago you were PRAISING the Islamic theocrats for their views on abortion....now, you're talking about how to defeat them.

 

Actually, after being frog boiled by the abortion rights activists for decades, we are just trying to turn off the burner.

 

What surgical technique is used in the ingesting of RU-486?

 

well, at least you're ending with a strawman instead of leading..this time you've led with BS

 

""""Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post

how does it feel to have those tactics used against those (Liberal Progressive animals) people after they've used that very same tactic........................ """"""

How is it BS. You admitted it in your post bolded above.

Strawman? Do you support killing anyone?

 

"Pro-lifers" have been losing for 40+ years....with little indication of "victory" in their future. Especially since the polls still show a majority of Americans want abortion to remain legal.

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Strawman? I saved your quote, stjames...

http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/387109-gay-rights-activists-outraged-over-billboard-s-message-23.html

 

a perfect example of selective reading...why not the whole post up?
just a wee bit of advice, I am totally shameless so don't waste your breath trying to shame me................

 

The link is there for all to read your comments on gays, stjames. Quite similar to the views of a certain Central European government towards religious minorities in the very early 1940s.

For their "sleeping pill"....they used "Zyklon-B"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B

I'm sure you'd use something similar...if you could.


BTW, yes, I know you're shameless....I'm just curious to see how many "pro-lifers" by remaining silent.....show how they agree with your views.