The Holocaust: The Forbidden History.

The numbers might be high if one adds in homosexuals, rom, communists and religious sects oppositional to the Nazi Regime among others, however the numbers even if 1 million is too many murdered by the Nazi Regime. I will note the Roman Catholic Church and many others are as complicit so I have not much sympathy for the "I didn't know" crowd. But the number to me is likely higher than what I stated using all the groups targeted for extermination and death in the concentration camps and hard forced labor.

 

You're just ducking the big questions. Like a child's belief in Santa Claus almost. Once one begins to challenge the science and reason behind the details, it begins to unravel.

So you are obviously not a Holocaust expert, so please find the link to just one witness who says they worked at a gas chamber that was supposed to kill people and give link(s) to their testimony about it.

As for swine killed for food:

USDA's official number of animals killed for food

USDA slaughter stats 2008

Pigs: 116,558,900
http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Practical/FactoryFarm/USDAnumbers.htm

100 of them won't be missed.

Zyklon B evidence:

Toxicity
No thoroughly effective pesticide is known to exist which could be considered to be harmless to human beings or mammals. Fatal concentrations of HCN impede or completely cut off the oxygen supply to the cells. The poison can enter the body in three ways: through the mouth, the respiratory organs, or the pores of the skin. The latter will occur in particular if the body is exposed to high concentration for any length of time and in unfavourable conditions (great heat).

Methods
Prior to fumigation, the tins must be distributed about the building. The tins are opened, and the ZYKLON is scattered so as to reach even the remotest parts of the building. If this is done correctly the gas will develop evenly and instantaneously throughout the premises. Spaces difficult to reach may be charged separately. In multi-storied buildings one begins with the top floor, and then works towards the exit, taking care that nobody re-enters rooms already charged. Even under mask protection it is not advisable to expose oneself to the gas more than is absolutely necessary. The exit door is sealed after everybody has left the building; warning notices must be put up before gassing commences and a guard placed near the building to prevent unauthorised persons from entering. Time of exposure depends on the type of pests to be attacked; for the destruction of the various types of moths and their pre-adult stages 24 hours will suffice, against other kinds of insect pests one should fumigate for 48 hours. If there are any dense stowages or bulkss of commodities to penetrate, the time of exposure may need to be extended to 72 hours.

Ventilation
During this operation gas-masks must be worn. The ventilation takes place in the reverse direction to the gassing. All windows near the entrance are opened first, then gradually those in the rest of the building. It is advisable to work only for 10 to 15 minutes at a time and then to make interruptions of half an hour, as a precaution against skin poisoning.

Depending on concentration, outdoor tempature and weather conditions, ventilation will take at least 10 hours. Clearing of tins and residues may be commenced before the end of airing. Windows and doors must remain open, and gas-masks kept available. ZYKLON tins and absorbent material must always be collected and cleared away before the resumption of work.
https://www.historiography-project.com/misc/ar/zyklonb.php



Again, please give me the link to the best story of an alleged genocidal gas chamber told by a witness.

 

More denialist nonsense that clearly demonstrates the incredible lack of knowledge of simple chemistry and the history of what happened to the gas chambers at auschwitz.

First, lets get the "what about wood floors and no bars on windows of the supposed gas chambers. Denialists dont' want to tell you that the nazi's attempted to destroy the gas chambers on their way outta dodge. the gas chambers at auschwitz et.al are partial or full RECONSTRUCTIONS.

Second, HCN can penetrate porous materials to some degree. With concrete it can't be much more than .5 mm below the surface.
Something that clown Leuchter didn't even know with his 5 kg hunk of concrete he stole from the site.

With brick mortar its a far higher penetration rate as with wood. In fact, wooden de lousing structures, would accumulate HCN residue "prussian blue" which could be clearly seen in pictures. that is because it took a couple days of exposure to kill the vermin, but only 20 minutes to kill humans.

As to sonderkommando getting sick from handling the bodies or residual "fumes" first, the nazis sure as hell didn't care if their slaves died. Second, any residue would be in insufficient concentration to kill and thirdly, as a gas, it dissipates rapidly in air.

Then there is the old' No VENTILATION No Gas nonsense from faurisson et.al. after a Pressac (who was a holocaust denier originally) completely changed his opinion when he undertook to validate the claims of gassing. In fact the "missing" ventilation" wasn't missing at all.

As to eyewitnesses - Hoess knew the number of killings was huge. He admitted it in great detail, as did Eichmann. Then there are of course the approximately 10,000 war crime trials of nazis and the testimony and confessions coming out those undertakings, and of course a few decades down the road we have had numerous guys like Shumel who proudly detailed his work at treblinka on video.

Zyklon B was determined to be the most cost effective method of killing large numbers of humans in a short period of time. As one would expect the germans actually researched per death costs comparisons. Seems shooting people is very expensive, gassing them is cheap.

 

I haven't avoided anything. I've answered all of your questions whilst you on the other hand have been more selective.

I'm still waiting for this so called evidence

Where do you get these presumptions from?

WTF is wrong with you I never wrote about the number of pigs killed in the USA. Can you not read?

Wow you've actually managed to disprove your statements with that excerpt
I don't think that I've come across anything quite so stupid in my time on this forum

This is actually the first time that you've asked. I can't give you the best testimony because that is subjective. All you have to do is search for testimony of camp guards, senior officers, sonderkommando and even the relatives of the officers.

 

Thank you. I don't think I could've said it any better.

 

I was wanting your subjective input on eyewitness testimony. The entire Final Solution theory rests upon them. But you cannot give the name of one of them.

 

So now you've changed tact also what is there to stop you saying "oh they had their testimony beaten out of them" or "they're too old to remember anything".
You already knew the kind of names that I would produce and that says an awful lot about you.

You've lost this discussion/debate or whatever perverse form of conversation this can be defined as.
If I were you I would wake up before you lose any more time and are left with regret.

 

No, the entire "final solution" PLAN does not rest on eyewitness testimony alone. Of course, like most good little denialists, this fallaciousness is to be embraced and regurgitated, because fallacy is all you got.

We have tons of eyewitness testimony ON BOTH SIDES and a simple google search will result in at least 100,000 links.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ar/argaschambers.html

Simple research like that is of course NOT in the denialists interests. Actually factual knowledge is not held in high esteem in denialist circles. Seems they are the part of the group that PT Barnum characterized as the "some people who can be fooled all of the time". I guess its important to them to belong to something they can be proud of.

Guess you've also never been to Yad Vashem or the USHMM or ever read a history book or biography of anyone other than der furher and a bunch of neo-nazi jew hating racist arses. Knowledge is a dangerous thing when measured against hateful propaganda.

The denialist crowd has had decades to develop a certain "approach" and you obviously have studied at the feet of a stromfronter or two. Your approach is routine, and well documented. It is as fallacious as it is stupid and ignorant.

Truly intellectually pathetic.

 

The first minute of this video is proof that the government told a deliberate lie about the NAZI's making lampshades out of human skin.


Anyone who doesn't simply acknowledge that the US government told a deliberate lie has no credibility as a truth-seeker. Anyone can see that Jonsa and unbiased institute have no credibility here. They can pretend all they want.

 

You have a broad definition of what constitutes proof

Why are you dodging the question?
Truth seeker? Is there some sort of special club you belong to where you all have identical rings and secret handshakes? Stop being so pretentious.

Do you even know where you are? This is a forum, there aren't any special people with rare expertise so I don't what you're trying to say when you mention credibility.
Everything that has been presented has been true.

I have no reason to pretend anything. Can you genuinely say the same thing about yourself? Not without struggling.

 

Oh I am totally biased. I hate jew hating, holocaust denying, white nationalist, neo nazis.

As to questioning my credibility - that is the total sum of what you got. Virtually all of the denialist's "evidence" is bullcrap. But I will acknowledge they have done a lot to dispel an already debunked accusation of human lampshades and human soap factories.
Their contributions to academia most definitely stem from their contributions to studies on the psychology of hatred so intense that actual facts are ignored and debunked lies obsessively regurgitated.

I will also recognize that you certainly have graduated from the "how to be a holocaust denier" school. I have noted you use 11 of 18 tactics in the handbook.

 

The point is that the US government told a deliberate lie. You people are playing that fact down and trying to make it look like it was a rumor unrelated to the government. That destroyed your credibility. You can pretend all you want.

 

NO, the US government did not tell a deliberate lie. Are you familiar with the origin of the story in the first place?
Seems Ilsa had a penchant for interior design and being the wife of the commandant of Buchenwald and a convicted war criminal in her own right, and when her original sentence was appealed and reduced to 4 years, some US reporter propagated the original debunked accusation is response - the bitch of buchenwald was not a very popular person and many around the world were upset with the judgement.

If you don't want to continue looking like a fool I suggest you research your topics before posting a demonstration of your ignorance.

 

Well what you've written seems to be based upon your perception rather than actually reading what people say.
So I'm going to ask you this question again which you keep dodging which is pretty rude actually.
Assuming that you are correct what difference would it make in relation as to whether the holocaust occurred?

 

don't ask questions like that when you already know the answer. Itsright there in the handbook

 

I don't why I bother any more. Its just the same rubbish going around and around

 

I bother because I want to make absolutely sure that certain denialist jew hating scum don't get away with their poisonous lies.
I tend to return their hatred and in the process make them look like the idiot ignorant haters they are.

 

All I'm looking for is your opinion on who the best witness to the Auschwitz gas chamber was.

The motivation for their testimony isn't what I'm looking for, it is the details of their claims and how well they are supported by the physical evidence and by modern science.

Obviously you are dodging because your faith in the Final Solution theories does not want to be further tested.

 

You are not worth discussing this issue with as you have already proclaimed that anyone who does not support any viewpoint other than what your Holocaust historians are currently issuing are "neo-nazi jew hating arses."

The intellectually pathetic person here can be easily viewed in the mirror nearest to you.

 

Oooh, project and retreat when confronted with somebody who knows way more about the idiotic denialist crap than you do. All your "evidence" does not refute any of the main holocaust narrative. Not a single shred of substantive evidence to suggest that the holocaust wasn't.

At least you consistently follow the play book. Too bad you can't execute worth a damn.

 

Eichmann.

My faith that the Final solution was an extermination plan, can be tested all you want. Go ahead, tell us all how wanasee protocol was merely to transport 1 million jews to the "east". that's a good one. Or perhaps that all the nazi confessions were coerced and therefore its all lies, which of course could be a possibility except for all the corroborating evidence from other sources that put lie to that piece of denialist evidence.

I can go on and on and on. Now, if you have any substantive evidence that has not been thoroughly debunked, I would welcome the opportunity to correct your gross misperceptions on the subject of the nazi extermination strategy.

 

In the first minute of this video they have an actual lamp that's being presented as having been made of human skin.



You can't obfuscate this. It's simply too clear.

More info here.
http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0

 

The point is that the government has been caught in a clear lie. The people who believe in the official story are simply believing the official story. There's nothing to go on but testimony. All of the physical evidence says there were no gas chambers. After having seen that lamp being officially presented as having been made of human skin, no objective clear-thinking person would continue having faith in what the government tells us.

The US government has been caught in a lot of lies. Do you believe that the US has been fighting to promote freedom and democracy for the past seventy years as we're being told? Or do you believe this?
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/american-imperialism.371897/

Please don't say that's irrelevant; whether official sources of info are credible is part of this debate.

 

This is from my link. It's about another confirmed lie the US government tells about WW2. Let's here your analyses on this.

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Listen to these two speeches of Hitler's.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Adolf+Hitler:+Explains+His+Reasons+For+Invading+The+Soviet+Union&sm=12

Watch the above speech here without having to log in.



https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Adolf+Hitler:+Explains+Reasons+For+Invading+Poland&sm=12

He may have been lying to the German people and soldiers but at least we know what they were thinking as the German army invaded Poland and Russia. Americans are taught that Hitler said to the German people, "We should invade eastern Europe to expand German territory" and the German people said, "Good idea, let's do it". The German people and soldiers believed (perhaps wrongly) they were righting old wrongs and defending their territory. That is one confirmed lie that the American government tells the American people. Does that make you a little suspicious? If there's one lie, there may be others.

 

Wow, you sure don't have much of a handle on exactly what the conditions were immediately prior to Germany invading Poland under false flag pretenses. And it is also obvious you haven't read mein kampf. Amazing.

Of course there are other lies as you well know because its obvious you drag around an entire cattle car of holocaust denial lies taken from jew hating racist scumbags and intellectual midgets. But then again such manure spreading is par for the course for society's fringes.