The ineffectiveness of Ron Paul

And it never ceases to amaze me how obsessed you are about Ron Paul...in a negative way - which is rather creepy. How many threads have you started about him now? Weird.
On top of which, you don't even seem to be championing anyone else.
So your dislike of this guy is pure dislike-based...very creepy (IMO).

At least MnMillyBoy (or whatever his name is) champions someone.

You? You just post one hate-filled post after another about a guy who has little chance of winning and who you do not even want to vote for?

So why the heck do you obsess so much over the guy?

Get a life.


Also, it never ceases to amaze me that people actually think it is a negative that few voted for his Bills over the years.

His ideas are clearly forward-thinking and common sense-based for the most part. The man was clearly ahead of his time...and since the other members of Congress are practically despised all over America...that is a good thing, a VERY GOOD THING that he did not do what they did.

It also proves that he cannot be swayed by lobbyists or lusts for power.

He stands up for what he believes in...no matter what the political cost.

How many other politicians can you say that about?


And finally, look at his supporters?

The young and those in the military.

Who is against him?

The old.

Like I typed...it's looking good for his son (or whomever carries on his message of common sense) in 2016 and/or 2020 as more and more of those who fear/don't agree with his message simply die off.

Ron Paul's message of smaller government, balancing the budget, bring the troops home, personal liberty and following the Constitution is ringing true with America's future...the young.

And when enough of those who dislike his message simply drop dead (as they are every day)...his common sense approach will finally prevail and save America from it's own ignorance (IF it's not too late).

Or...from the ignorance of America's old set-in-their-ways-brainwashed-by-the-establishment types.

 

Mark Levin endorsed his son.

Boosh.

 

So JB, You like all the bills that have been passed by Congress while Dr Paul has served?

Are you just going to ignore the fact the Dr Paul has tried to correct the path we were on as a nation only to be ignored by these so-called leaders in Congress?

He predicted the housing bubble years ahead of the others. Just that single fact was enough to make me a believer. Then I started listening to more and now I am in 100% for Dr Paul.

He is the only one talking about your rights and civil liberties.

He is the only one talking about peace, not war.

He is predicting an eventual scenario where the US Dollar faces hyper-inflation. History proves him right. All fiat currencies fail.

He believes in us, not controlling us.

Take a serious look at what he is saying and what he stands for. It is quite compelling.

 

some of ron paul's interpretations of the constitution are ridiculous

for example he said that the constitution says only gold and silver can be legal tender

that's not what it says

 

Pull the excerpt out and explain its meaning. If you wish to challenge his or someone else's opinion at least put some weight behind your words rather than leaving it for others to fill in the blanks to your argument.

 

do you think the constitution says only gold and silver can be legal tender, as ron paul has said?

 

It is not lunacy to end the fed. Thomas Jefferson said it best.

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properlly belongs."

The Federal Reserve Bank is not part of the government, only a bank with special privileges. It is precisely what Jefferson warned us against.

 

you've been bamboozled by propaganda

there's no credible evidence that jefferson said or wrote that

also, the fed was created by congress and answers to congress

The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/pf/pf.htm

 

Does my opinion matter in this case when I was clearly asking what your source was and to point what exactly Ron Paul commented upon as being false. Then to later to make a point proving your definition is correct. You have failed to do either so far and are purely looking to distance yourself from the questions.

 

Article 1, Section 10.

Try reading it before you make a fool of yourself... again.

 

it's pretty simple, the source of the statement from ron paul is of course, ron paul


WATTERS: And you're a big gold guy. You talk about gold a lot. Bill thinks this is fascinating, but it's a little confusing. What do you want to do with gold?

PAUL: Well, I want to just obey the Constitution. The Constitution says only gold and silver can be legal tender. And Bill has a little problem with economic understanding. Have you noticed that? He doesn't pronounce, you know, the words quite correctly, and he admits it that he doesn't know much about it.

WATTERS: Well, enlighten us. What is your idea of what we should do with gold? Is it all in Fort Knox? Should we start digging it up?

PAUL: I just said we should obey the Constitution and make gold and silver legal tender. Why doesn't he care or anybody care about the Constitution? Right now, nobody legalized paper money. Where did that come from? They just ignore it. They talk about the Constitution when it pleases them. But when it doesn't please them, like going to war without a declaration. Go bomb -- go bomb Iran, they might get a nuclear weapon. Well, is there a declaration of war? Why is it that some people, you know, think we should obey the Constitution sometimes and not other times.

source: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2011/09/08/jesse-watters-confronts-ron-paul-about-avoiding-factor

here's the video, skip to the 1:48 mark

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the source that refutes his statement is the constitution, nowhere in it does it say that only gold and silver can be legal tender

you're confused again, section 10 enumerates the powers prohibited of the individual states

article 1, section 8 gives congress the power to regulate the value of money and make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution that power

 

You are correct, the Constitution for the United States prohibits the states to "make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts." Therefore, through the logic of deductive reasoning only gold and silver coin are legal tender. The Constitution also permits Congress to "To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures" and states nothing about printing paper money.

 

Hey what can I say one of the most mediocre amongst mediocre.

And as far as obama and Romney we find ,Mediocre,and they are the top of the Mediocre middle class wankery of the USA!

Imagine any of them facing a national strike movement?

Wildcat strikes ,Occupations ,MASSIVE PICKET LINES ,workers muti-millioned marches on Washington ,AND a militant Anti-War movement greater then the 1960's.

hey we note the NEWT now calls for IMMEDIATE withdrawal of all US Troops from Afghanistan .

 

if the founders had wanted to prohibit congress from making paper money legal tender (it was considered), they would have included that in the section 9 limits on congress' powers

the founders, knowing that they had resorted to the issuance of paper money themselves, intentionally left it up to future generations to sort out

the legal tender cases make it clear that paper money is constitutional

The Legal Tender Cases were a series of United States Supreme Court cases in the latter part of the nineteenth century that affirmed the constitutionality of paper money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_Tender_Cases

 

So SCOTUS passed an unconstitutional law... what a surprise!

The founders knew of the folly of fiat money when they printed a Continental Currency and it failed. That's why the Constitution prohibited the states from accepting any Thing but gold and silver coin as legal tender.
Remember the individual states were more important to the structure of the US than the federal government at the founding of the US.
They learned from their mistake... but apparently the current progressive government has not... yet.

 

wrong again, the constitution prevented individual states from coining their own currency to prevent chaos

imagine what it would be like to have foreign exchange-like, currency impediments between every state

 

But it did not prevent individual banks from printing their own legal money - state bank noted

 

they're not used as currency so it's irrelevant

the point is that the constitution doesn't prescribe what legal tender is

 

WRONG

Clearly you have not a clue what currency means:

Currency:

n. pl. cur·ren·cies
1. Money in any form when in actual use as a medium of exchange, especially circulating paper money.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/currency


'1836 State Bank Notes
With minimum regulation, a proliferation of 1,600 local state-chartered, private banks now issued paper money. State bank notes, with over 30,000 varieties of color and design, were easily counterfeited. That, along with bank failures, caused confusion and circulation problems.'

http://www.ronscurrency.com/rhist.htm


These bank notes were used as a legal medium of exchange - thusly WERE Legal currency

 

Had you read the Constitution for the United States you would clearly comprehend that since only gold and silver coin were to be accepted by the states as legal tender, and only Congress could coin money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures, foreign coins made of silver and gold would be legal tender.

Here...

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

 

not only have i read the constitution, i studied it in college and have kept current over the several decades since graduation

it's too bad you only have propaganda and misinformation in your quiver

 

I stated direct from the Constitution and applied deductive logic to it. It seems you are the one that is misinformed.

 

you're mistaking misinformation and propaganda for logic

the supreme court's ruling from 1819 has stood the test of time for nearly 200 years

rothbard, on the other hand, has crumbled into dust

 

Obviously you feel the Constitution for the United States is propaganda and misinformation... you must be an Obama supporter.

 

you keep getting further and further away from reality with each post you make