The issue of soap and lampshades made of human body parts in German concentration camps

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  1. Scott

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    The info below makes a pretty good case that the soap allegedly made of human fat and the lampshades allegedly made of human skin were deliberate lies. This should at least make believers in the official story a little suspicious. What does everybody think?


    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=BUCHENWALD+A+Dumb+Dumb+Portrayal+Of+Evil+&sm=12

    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/soap.shtml
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    In April 1990, professor Yehuda Bauer of Israel's Hebrew University, regarded as a leading Holocaust historian, as well as Shmuel Krakowski, archives director of Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust center, confirmed that the human soap story is not true.
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    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Western_Holocaust_camps
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    In addition to the now even by non-revisionists discredited gassings, Buchenwald is notorious for allegations of production of human skin artifacts (such as lampshades) and shrunken human heads from prisoners. Such artifacts and heads were introduced as evidence during the IMT, but later disappeared without a trace, except for some photographs.[1]

    The shrunken heads are argued by revisionists to in one case even have war painting and to be obviously non-European, to have long hair despite the camp prisoners having had their hair cut down almost to the scalp, and to have been from South America and to have had an inventory number of a German anthropological museum.[1]

    Various artifacts, such as lampshades, claimed to have been made from human skin have been found to have been made of synthetic leather, animal leather, textile, or cardboard.[1]
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    There are tens of thousands of personal testimonies recorded by holocaust survivors & even guards. There are vast troves of documents ranging from official papers right down to diaries & letters confirming that the holocaust happened. Why would a small number of exaggerations, misstatements or even lies call all of that into question?

    Of course it doesn't, just as it doesn't for any other significant historical event.
     
  3. Scott

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    Did those people say that there were gas chambers? Your statement fits the revisionists' scenario that the camps were slave-labor camps and not death camps.

    Do those papers say there were gas chambers, or do they just talk about the camps in terms of their being slave-labor camps?


    The revisionists don't say that nobody died in the camps. They say that there were no gas chambers. Your statement doesn't go into enough detail. What you said fits the revisionists' scenario.

    http://nazigassings.com/
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    There are NO photographs of corpses of Nazi gassing victims. The cheap, dirty trick which really makes the hoax succeed is the wilful misuse of pictures of countless sick and dead in the camps at the end of the war—none of which are of people killed in gas chambers—but which are repeatedly shown to give the false impression that millions of people must have been murdered in gas chambers. There really is no direct connection--but for the more than gullible masses, the connection is “undeniable.” The people who show those pictures are all in on the trick. They all know perfectly well that the pictures are of people who died of other causes such as typhus—but they use the pictures anyway for their powerful psychological effect to precondition their audience for the gassing and mass extermination pitch which inevitably follows. The pictures are irrelevant except for their enormous shock value. Pictures of countless healthy prisoners in the same camps are generally not shown for reasons that are all too obvious. This deliberate misuse of photographs is rather widespread and illustrates the collective eagerness of many people (the “hoaxers“ or co-conspirators in the hoax), especially in the American media, to throw whatever they can find against the Nazis, SS and Germans generally just like spiteful children. They want to believe in the hoax.
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    Documents can be written by liars and witnesses can lie so they aren't conclusive proof of anything. According to the scientific method* the only thing to be taken seriously is science and physics.


    At the 5:45 time mark of this video...

    Auschwitz Why The Gas Chambers Are A Myth HD
    https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWhyTheGasChambersAreAMythHD

    ...it's said that the gas chamber doors were opened fifteen or twenty minutes after they were first closed and then they started dragging out the dead bodies.


    According to this video that was an impossibility.

    Le Probleme des Chambres a Gaz with ENG SUB
    https://altcensored.com/watch?v=Ilx6-Qu7XaY


    It's explained again in this video.

    Tehran Holocaust Conference 2006: Prof. Robert Faurisson - Victories of Revisionism - part 2/2
    https://archive.org/details/youtube-Ne3nYJxU6SM


    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcger.html
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    No less false are the times alleged for the ventilation of mortuaries 1 (the 'gas chambers') of crematoria II and III, since the witnesses proceeded on the mistaken assumption that a single air exchange would remove all the poison gas. The delay in the reduction of the remaining concentration of hydrogen cyanide means that in a realistic scenario the required ventilation time would exceed that recounted by the witnesses by a factor of 10 or more (diminished circulation due to the bodies, 'short-circuit' of air, aftergeneration of gas from the Zyklon B). As well, the problem of continued aftergeneration of gas from the remaining Zyklon B, which would have made it impossible to work within the chambers without protective clothing in anything less than 2 hours even with ongoing ventilation, also prove that the witnesses have not told the truth.

    The 'gas chambers' of crematoria IV and V as well as of Bunkers I and II would have had to be designed and built as instruments of mass murder if the mass gassings alleged to have been planned and in progress during the construction of these facilities had really taken place; yet even Pressac admits that the gassing procedures attested to were illogical and ridiculous, and highly dangerous to the Sonderkommandos in particular. In the face of all this, anyone approaching this issue from a scientific and technical perspective cannot but conclude that the alleged murderers went to great lengths to devise the most expensive, complicated, dangerous and problematic way to kill people en masse. For example, the coal-refining BUNA works of I.G. Farbenwerke AG, only a few miles away, could easily have provided a cheap supply of coal gas high in carbon monoxide for poisoning, or bottled nitrogen for asphyxiation.[141] But in Auschwitz, of all places, it had to be the expensive, scarce and awkward-to-use Zyklon B that was used, even though it was badly needed everywhere else for pest control. Yet in other alleged extermination camps far distant from the BUNA plant, carbon monoxide is said to have been used to kill people, and to have been generated for this purpose with Diesel engines from captured Russian tanks, whose exhaust fumes, however, contain only non-lethal quantities of carbon monoxide when operated in neutral gear (as they would have to have been).[142]
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    When a testimony contradicts science, the testimony is obviously bogus. If the scientific method is not used, erroneous conclusions can be arrived at.


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    https://www.google.com/search?q=sci.....69i57j0l5.6847j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     
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    Booooorrrrriiiing!
     
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    You started a thread about soap & lampshades, two minor & irrelevant details in the vast documented history of the holocaust. Now you want to argue about gas chambers, details of which have been provided on other threads. The fact that you repeatedly reference the work of liars 7 anti-semites does your credibility no favours.

    I have given my response to the topic of the thread. If you want to start a gas chambers thread go right ahead.

    There is overwhelming evidence that the Nazis murdered 5-6 million Jews during WW2. Nothing you have posted in any way challenges this.
     
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    That’s why there is a quote of Eisenhower at the Holocaust Museum in Washington. He went there to validate the truth because he anticipated there would be people who would deny it happened
     
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    You tap danced around my rebuttal instead of addressing it. Your response was so general that it actually fit the revisionists' version* which maintains that there were camps but that they were slave-labor camps and not death camps.

    What I said about the gas chambers challenges that. Please link to where you discussed the gas chambers.

    I think the info in these two posts also challenges that.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/where-are-the-missing-jews.558565/#post-1070764599

    Here's something else that challenges that.
    https://archive.org/details/DidSixMillionReallyDie_703/page/n33


    Could you link to something that supports this? Everything I've read points to Eisenhower's not knowing anything about gas chambers.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/where-are-the-missing-jews.558565/#post-1070764696


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    http://vho.org/Intro/GB/Brochure.pdf
     
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    All those dead Jews were actors.
     
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    Well, it looks like the pro-official version posters here agree that the soap made of human fat and the lampshades made of human skin were deliberate fabrications made by people whose intentions were to deceive. Is that true? I'd like to hear from Hoosier, Ronstar, and Shinebox on this.

    Talking about the gas chambers isn't any less off-topic than talking about testimonies and documents.


    If you pro-official story posters don't dispute the idea that the soap made of human fat and the lampshades made of human skin were deliberate fabrications made by people whose intentions were to deceive, we might as well discuss other aspects of the Holocaust. Let's talk about the alleged gas chambers and whether the witnesses were credible and whether those documents were written by liars. The first person to go off-topic here was bigfella in post #2. I had to go off-topic to give my rubuttal.


    Here's the plaque with Eisenhower's quote.
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eisenhower_quote_-_U.S._Holocaust_Memorial_Museum.JPG

    What he says is consistent with the scenario of all the deaths having been caused by typhus and starvation. His quote doesn't reinforce the idea that there were gas chambers and he doesn't even show any sign that he'd seen gas chambers.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/where-are-the-missing-jews.558565/#post-1070764703
     
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    I've been googling around and I found some stuff worth posting. Metapedia gives time to both sides of a story unlike Wikipedia. I was only able to access it with FireFox.

    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_material_evidence
    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_camps
    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Danzig-Matzkau_camp
    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_German_punishments_for_mistreatment_of_Jews
    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_camp#General_description_of_the_Auschwitz_punishment_system

    Read it while you can. It may disappear.


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    The powers that be are able to make stuff disappear from objective websites. This page...
    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Moon_Hoax

    ...used to look like this page.
    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Apollo_program


    another edit
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    This site looks good too.
    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/The_Holocaust
     
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    All those survivors telling their stories were paid actors too...What is amazing is that even the German government doesn’t deny what they did only very sick people do
     
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    It seems like you're assuming that all survivors claim the same factually flawed standard holocaust narrative when those who tell different, conflicting & more realistic stories have their testimonies ignored, repressed & censored.

    For example:

    "Auschwitz Was NOT a 'Death Camp' - Holocaust Survivor Testimony"
    https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWasNotAdeathCamp-HolocaustSurvivorTestimony

    And another survivor, Alexander McClelland reports that:

    EXCERPTS " It is a mistake to believe that the Germans had enough spare manpower to staff and run the
    concentration camps. The Germans only guarded the outer perimeter of the
    camps, we Prisoners hardly saw German soldiers, so it was not the SS or
    German guards that beat me up daily.

    The two Kapos that beat me daily, using a heavy wooden baton they called
    'Herr Doktor' (The Doctor) were both fellow Prisoners, both were Jewish,
    one from Hungary and the other was, I believe, a Ukrainian. I was often a
    witness when they dragged other hapless prisoners from their cells onto
    the 'Appelplatz' and beat them to death with 'The Doctor'.

    As a matter of fact, it was a German SS Soldier who saved my life after
    the Kapos, who after beating me sent me outside the camp on a work
    detail, with a dangerously poisoned leg. The SS Soldier walking by saw my
    mates helping me, came over and then gave me his medical kit. "CONTINUED

    (I hope you'll read his letter in its entirety.)

    ALEXANDER McCLELLAND.........LETTER
    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/CzechRepublic/Theresienstadt/SmallFortress/TheresienstadtKapos.html


    During the time that I lived, worked & studied in Europe, I had the opportunity to talk to survivors of various nationalities and none of them mentioned "gas chambers" or systematic, industrial scale executions.

    Meanwhile, some "eyewitness testimony" is beyond absurd:


    “Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED



    "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

    EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

    No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

    Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true" CONTINUED


    I don't know of anyone who doesn't agree that the holocaust happened. It's just that the same "Holocaust Industry" with an undeniable history of trying to perpetuate deliberate frauds in the form of shrunken heads, fake human soap, fake human skin lampshades and claims (1) deserves to have its claims looked at with a healthy skepticism.

    Thanks...


    (1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”

    ”CONTINUED
     

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