The Kennedy Assassination & The Gangster Nature of The State

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  1. resisting arrest

    resisting arrest Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since I was a teenager I've been fascinated with the Kennedy assassination and have watched some of the documentaries and also the Oliver Stone film JFK starring Kevin Costner, Joe Pesci and Tommy Lee Jones. Well I have also been influenced by my reading books about the assassination like Anthony Summers Conspiracy and Don Dellilo's novel Libra that there was a conspiracy to assassinate the president involving the CIA, Mafia and anti-Castro Cubans. Here are some of those documentaries. I'm also fascinated by the numbers of witnesses who have died under suspicious circumstances.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkSJBffuxBM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEX6FKP-Ejc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucQqm0xIjZ4&index=32&list=PL1IIRVPwL5-UozGolsBS1au55v9-I6Spd

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWAJKy9kGI&index=36&list=PL1IIRVPwL5-UozGolsBS1au55v9-I6Spd

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDo78gP5Zf4&index=16&list=PL1IIRVPwL5-UozGolsBS1au55v9-I6Spd

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sEenamCHOE&list=PL1IIRVPwL5-UozGolsBS1au55v9-I6Spd&index=3

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDaw35LPEvI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P56vHpD4O4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvLTAJa5zAU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jH6rmJnJTU

    http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/the-last-confession-of-e-howard-hunt-20070405
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Yes I have watched the same documentaries and the same fictional films such as JFK.

    I have read some of the same books and about 40 others about the conspiracy theories.

    Unfortunately I have also read the Lone shooter books such as Reclaiming History by Bugliosi and Case Closed by gerald Posner and of course the Warren COmmission report by the Warren Commission.

    When one starts to pay attention to both sides of the debate ( which very few do ) one begins to realize that Oswald shot Kennedy and no evidence exists to support any of the conspiracy theories.

    Every claim by conspiracy theorists in print or on film falls apart under scrutiny or when fact checked.

    Take Stones film for example. Most of it was dreamed up by writers and had no basis in fact or truth. Entire characters which made up the plot were completely imaginary such as Willie Okeefe: the gay prostitute played by Kevin Bacon.

    Remove all of these fictional parts of the film and you are left with no story except that Kennedy was shot and Garrison lost his case trying to prove a conspiracy.

    The same is true for the leading conspiracy books which offer no evidence which often out right lie such as Jim Marrs books or David Lifton's.

    There is no abnormal number of people who died or were murdered in relation to the Kennedy assassination. That claim was fist invented by a math teacher named Penn Jones.

    Unfortunately it was proven false and completely debunked.

    Everyone dies sooner or later and the mysterious deaths are not mysterious at all.
     
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    resisting arrest Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're one of those who is persuaded by the last book or documentary or person you listened to. Posner's book is riddled with inacurracies and outright falsehoods. It should have won the Pulitzer prize for fiction not for nonfiction as it sadly did.

     
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    I included it as a list of books which you obviously ignored.

    No I am afraid you have it quite backwards.

    Rather than fact checking and looking at both sides of the issue for evidence you merely pay strict attention to carefully selected works which support what you want ot hear and believe.

    Posner's book had errors there is no doubt but you cannot demonstrate one lie or any error which significantly weakens his premise
     
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    I have dozens of these you should watch, watch the Evidence of Revision ones on the other thread, or just youtube Evidence of Revision, also google the series read about it, its amazing.

    And watch these, talks on Alternative TV by Gary Shaw and sometimes John Stockwell (ex-CIA), there's 4 or 5 here is the first one

    [video=youtube;SOx8ees18Yw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOx8ees18Yw[/video]
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Once again you should realize that you tube is not research it is entertainment
     
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    I have read a quote by former CIA agent Stockwell about the Kennedy assassination. He believes there was a conspiracy emanating from the CIA. I'm trying to find out what Phillip Agee has to say on the subject. Do you anything that Agee might have said about a conspiracy?

     
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    There's an interview with Oliver Stone here about his film "JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass".

    https://www.rt.com/usa/529180-jfk-assassination-documentary-oliver-stone/
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    Oliver Stone has released a new documentary on the JFK assassination, revisiting a topic that made him a maverick in Hollywood. Despite what the mainstream narrative suggests, the evidence points to a clear conspiracy, he told RT.
    Some three decades after the release of his groundbreaking and controversial film ‘JFK,’ Stone has returned once more to the events leading up to and following the gruesome killing in November 1963 of American’s 35th president. For the legendary filmmaker and director, the assassination is as relevant today as it was thirty years ago.

    In an interview with RT’s Going Underground, Stone suggested that Kennedy may have been killed for pursuing anti-colonial policies and seeking an end to the Cold War – defying the wishes of America’s rapidly growing and increasingly powerful military and intelligence sectors. JFK’s assassination served as a “warning to other people” – especially to all the presidents who succeeded Kennedy – not to “cross a certain line.” Speaking to host Afshin Rattansi, Stone said that Kennedy’s killing made it “very clear to the American people, subconsciously maybe, that there were forces larger than any one man” involved.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Just as he did with the fictional film JFK he has failed, there is no evidence of any such conspiracy.
     

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