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'The Logic Behind Russel's Teapot'

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Leo2, Sep 3, 2015.

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  1. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    Oh the irony.

     
    robini123, Sep 7, 2015
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  2. Incorporeal

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    Yes it would have been a case of irony had the two quotes you made been in context to one another.
     
    Incorporeal, Sep 7, 2015
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  3. robini123

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    Context is not required as the statements stand on their own.
     
    robini123, Sep 7, 2015
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  4. Goomba

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    Explain how it is special pleading. Atheists tend to throw this phrase around without providing any elaboration on their part.

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    No irony, but the only logical alternative, as something cannot come from nothing.
     
    Goomba, Sep 7, 2015
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  5. Goomba

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    I don't know what theology has to do with anything, as we aren't discussing it.
     
    Goomba, Sep 7, 2015
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  6. rahl

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    I didn't make a claim, I asked you a question. You then made the positive claim that it's my fantasy. You will now be needing to prove that positive claim.

    you are making the positive claim. I asked a question. I expect you to prove your claim.
     
    rahl, Sep 7, 2015
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    The time and space we occupy
     
    rahl, Sep 7, 2015
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    Now imagine that the teapot is at the center of a new series of catastrophic claims of doom if we do not follow the right actions and live a more austere life (much like most religions) and anyone that espouses any doubt become heretics and are labeled and shunned.

    We have this happening right now with the environmental alarmist movement called AGW.
     
    Hoosier8, Sep 7, 2015
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  9. robini123

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    Says who and by what authority? Logic is only as good as its foundation and a foundation of "I cannot come up with any other possible scenario thus the hypothesis that God sparked something from nothing must be correct" is illogical by my measure of logic as it closes the door on any other possible yet to be known explanations.

    Says who and by what authority?
     
    robini123, Sep 7, 2015
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  10. robini123

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    Dodge noted. Yet you in your first post in this thread make it about God and by extension theology thus my question stands... "Does this equally apply to theology or is theology exempt from the scrutiny of logic?" in reference to your claim of "Simply saying so doesn't make it true."

    or

    or

    or

    I could go on but I think I made my point.
     
    robini123, Sep 7, 2015
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  11. robini123

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    What in reality is the right foundation for morality?
     
    robini123, Sep 7, 2015
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    This is something many people do not get. Many theists like to bash Stephen Hawking, for example, for claiming that science has proven that a god is unneeded to explain existance. They demand he show proof, but none is needed, since he never claimed there was no god, only that science can offer non-divine explantions for the creation of the universe.
     
    Daggdag, Sep 7, 2015
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    Same as it always has been. Consensus.
     
    rahl, Sep 7, 2015
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    There are no other possible explanations. It's either that something came from nothing; or that something eternal created everything. No other theories can possibly exist, unless you'd like to demonstrate otherwise.

    The atheist cop-out of "we don't know yet" is just that- a cop-out.

    Says simple logic, unless you'd like to explain how something could possibly come from nothing.
     
    Goomba, Sep 7, 2015
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    I have yet to see a solitary scientific explanation for the creation of the universe.
     
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    Er, theology is the study of religion. Arguing that God created the universe isn't theology. But the non-religious always want to change the subject to religion.
     
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    Well gee... that is really nice to know, especially coming from you. That would imply that anyone on this forum can take any of your declarations on this forum that appear to be 'stand alone' and use them however the person wants, and that person cannot be accused of taking your declaration out of context. Thanks for that permission.

    See here: http://atheism.about.com/od/logicalfallacies/a/Quoting-Out-Of-Context-Fallacy.htm
     
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    Rule #5 of the Rules of debate requires a proof of claim.
     
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    The universe does not require a creator, just like your creator. You are making a special exception for god being subject for cause and effect which is intellectually weak.

    You introduce a problem of infinite regression. Which is fun.
     
    Wolverine, Sep 7, 2015
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    But the universe is not eternal, now is it?
     
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    Does anyone know for a fact that it is finite?

    Nope.

    Now go look up the Cylic Universe model.
     
    Wolverine, Sep 7, 2015
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    Methinks you have to look up the definition of 'eternal,' as you clearly don't know what it means.
     
    Goomba, Sep 7, 2015
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    Likewise.
     
    Wolverine, Sep 7, 2015
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    How so? You are the one who thinks 'cyclical' means 'eternal,' not me.
     
    Goomba, Sep 7, 2015
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    And I am the one who possesses to know how to understand the definition:

    e·ter·nal
    əˈtərn(ə)l/
    adjective
    lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning.
     
    Wolverine, Sep 7, 2015
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