The Qur'an and the Land of Israel

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most of us in the western democratic nations are terribly unaware of how differently Islamic Mystics and Sufi Moslems seem to view what the Qu'ran really teaches regarding the restoration of the Jewish people to the land of Israel in the latter days!

    http://www.templemount.org/quranland.html

    Subject: by Shaykh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi
    The Qur'an and the Land of Israel

     
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    It is a past time story. It is not told as a general rule.

    According to Quran Allah (the "God" ) sent Jesus to Jewish community (actually Christianity was an universal religion and so Jesus was the prophent of all humankind ) but they REJECTED this rightful Abrahamic religion. [Later verses of the Bible were falsified by Greeks (Eastern Romans) Christianity lost original words of God, it all became a human written book - the Council of Nicaea)

    Then Allah sent Muhammed as a last prophent as last time to humankind. But Jews again rejected this Abrahamic Religion as well at this they told Mohammed had not been born from a jewish family,this was their pretext...

    Whatever according to Quran promised land was valid if the Jews really followed rights of Moses but they also falsified Torah itself, some Jews wrote the Torah themselves and commercially they sold them also they worshipped golded calf, that made Allah (The God) very angry, made Moses very sad. In addition Torah had been an universal Abrahamic religion book as well as Quran and Bible, but Jews made it a national religion themselves.

    This is what Quran tells....
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    Abdul Hadi Palazzi is not a Sheikh or a professor.. He's a phony who has been several religions.. The Muslim world considers him a huge joke.
     
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    Turkic Brat Well-Known Member

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    I don't know him even :)
     
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    I think he was Jewish and then Hindu.. Lives in Italy... Changed his name.
     
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    Sheikh Ahmad al-Adwan:

    Indeed, I recognize their sovereignty over their land. I believe in the Holy Quran, and this fact is stated many times in the book. For instance ‘O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you,’ [Quran 5:21], ‘We made the Children of Israel inheritors of such things.’ [Quran 26:59] and additional verses in the Holy Book.

    Abdurrahman Wahid

    I think there is a wrong perception that Islam is in disagreement with Israel. This is caused by Arab propaganda. We have to distinguish between Arabs and Islam. Some people in Indonesia claimed that I was a stooge for the West, but the fact that I am gaining in popularity all the time dispels this idea, and shows that this is the view of only a small minority of the elite. I always say that China and the Soviet Union have or had atheism as part of their constitution, but we have long-term relationships with both these countries. So then Israel has a reputation as a nation with a high regard for God and religion — there is then no reason we have to be against Israel.


    Khaleel Mohammed:

    It’s in the Muslim consciousness that the land first belonged to the Jews. It doesn’t matter if the Jews were exiled 500 years or 2000 years, the Holy Land, as mentioned in Quran belongs to Moses and his people, the Jews.

    The Qur’an in Chapter 5: 20-21 states quite clearly: Moses said to his people: O my people! Remember the bounty of God upon you when He bestowed prophets upon you , and made you kings and gave you that which had not been given to anyone before you amongst the nations. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has written for you, and do not turn tail, otherwise you will be losers.”

    The Quran goes on to say why the Israelites were not allowed to enter the land for forty years…but the thrust of my analysis is where Moses says that the Holy Land is that which God has “written” for the Israelites. In both Jewish and Islamic understandings of the term “written”, there is the meaning of finality, decisiveness and immutability. And so we have the Written Torah (unchangeable) and the Oral Torah (which represents change to suit times). And in the Qur’an we have “Written upon you is the fast”–to show that this is something that is decreed, and which none can change. So the simple fact is then, from a faith-based point of view: If God has “written” Israel for the people of Moses, who can change this?
    The Qur’an refers to the exiles, but leaves it open for return…saying to the Jews that if they keep their promise to God, then God will keep the divine promise to them. WE may argue that the present state of Israel was not created in the most peaceful means, and that many were displaced–for me, this is not the issue. The issue is that when the Muslims entered that land in the seventh century, they were well aware of its rightful owners, and when they failed to act according to divine mandate (at least as perceived by followers of all Abrahamic faiths), they aided and abetted in a crime. And the present situation shows the fruits of that action–wherein innocent Palestinians and Israelis are being killed on a daily basis.


    http://www.israeladvocacy.net/knowl...ims-that-support-israel/#sthash.4nXlXkCG.dpbs

    Judaism has always been the national religion of Jews. Anyone who converts to Judaism becomes a Jew.

    Do you have any kind of proof for the allegations in your post?

    Think less, google more.

    He was born a Muslim.
     
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    Your sound resonates further calling Judge Jeanine Pirro not a judge.
    I am asking who gave you the unmitigated gall to label personalities to the level of your knowledge?

    My dear <restrain> yourself a bit... lest you found the rapprochement Of Saudi Arabia-Israel, which has been going steady in Jerusalem for months also offensive, and if you do... who cares?
     
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    Well, it is all from Al-Baqara that is longest chapter of Quran.
     
  9. DennisTate

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    These are exceptional comments and quotations on this topic!

    Thank you immensely Pisa!

    Now I wonder how can I fit this in with.......
    http://www.politicalforum.com/canad...tional-leader-canadas-conservative-party.html

    (hint... post #4)....
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Turkic Brat.... what do you think of my theory that
    viewing some of the spiritual experiences of The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)
    as perhaps being similar to the near death experience phenomena may......

    set up Christian Mystics and Islamic Mystics to cooperate with each other
    at a higher level?


    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...d-son-good-prophet-prophet-muhammad-pbuh.html
     
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    His father was Catholic. His mother was Syrian.. He is now Hindu and considered a charlatan.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Islamic Mystics would tend to NOT be offended by his
    exposure to several religions.

    My wife is Pentecostal and she is free to raise our daughter to
    be inclined in that direction...... so I assume that his mom was Syrian
    Islamic........... which would tend to partly verify that he had been born..... a Muslim.


    http://godspeaceplan.blogspot.ca/2014/07/gods-peace-plan-for-holy-land-peace.html

    Muslims.... who teach that Muslims need to enslave.......
    or kill Jews and Christians..... are among the most astonishingly
    under informed Muslims on earth!
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some Muslims are beginning to line up with his approach though.


    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8597/arabs-israel-renewal
    Arabs Must Turn a New Page with Israel
    by Fred Maroun
    August 4, 2016 at 5:00 am


     

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