The REAL True History of Israel and Palestine

from an Israeli Jew.

It is pretty long, and doesn't have the pretty pictures of the other version of the truth....but it is much more in tune with the history those of us who read unbiased history books think more accurate.

I admit I mostly listened to it while browsing.

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Tut-tut! - listen while browsing ? (wink)

I gave it my full attention - no distractions. 29 minutes well spent. The number of Jews with integrity and honour
coming forward , speaking out against Zionist lies, are steadily increasing. The Jewish people's future is in the hands of those Jews who are prepared to respect Palestinians peoples. legitimate rights.


Oddquine , Its one of the best videos on the subject.

cheers....

 

Oddquine I hope you dont mind me adding on some written notes Miko Peled's book review - ( bearing in mind for some the spoken word goes in one side + out the other. )

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"The State of Israel today is governed in a way that cannot be sustained, where the two nations it governs, Israelis and

Palestinians are used and abused and it is a state of affairs that should not be tolerated: Half of the population is governed by a radical Zionist regime that sees the struggle for control over the land as a zero sum game, and the other half of the population is governed by the security forces of this Zionist regime; one nation ruling over another while controling of the land and its resources. It is a reality where half of the population lives in what it thinks is a Western democracy while keeping the other half imprisoned by a ruthless defense apparatus that is becoming more violent by the day.

In a book I am about to publish I intend to show how it is that the son of an Israeli General and a staunch Zionist came to these realizations, so stay tuned. Realizing that your side of the story is not the only side to the story, and then accepting rather than fighting this realization – that is an interesting journey.

The following is an edited version of something was written by a friend, Iris Keltz, from Taos New Mexico who heard me speak:


"The General's Son"


“Miko Peled is a peace activist who dares to say in public what others still choose to deny. He has credibility, so when he debunks myths that Jews around the world hold with blind loyalty, people listen. Miko was born in Jerusalem in 1961 into a well known Zionist family. His grandfather, Dr. Avraham Katsnelson was a Zionist leader and signer on the Israeli Declaration of Independence. His father, Matti Peled was a young officer in the war of 1948 and a general in the war of 1967 when Israel conquered the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and the Sinai.

Miko’s unlikely opinions reflect his father’s legacy. General Peled was a war hero turned peacemaker. The general clearly stated that contrary to claims made later, the 1967 war was one of choice, and not because there was no existential threat to the state of Israel. He then dedicated his life to the achievement of Israeli Palestinian peace.

The political becomes personal with Miko’s stories. He might have learned compassion from his mother who, in 1948, refused the offer of an Arab home in West Jerusalem with the understanding that the family who lived there were now forced to live in a refugee camp. As the daughter of one of the signers of the Israeli Declaration of Independence, Miko’s mother could have used her position of entitlement to get a lovely home for herself and her family. But she said, “No.”

Miko grew up in Jerusalem, a multi-ethnic city, part of a system that conspired to keep Palestinians and Israelis separate. The Arabs of Israel, as the Palestinians are called– the laborers, janitors, cooks, etc. are indistinguishable from Arabs across the Middle East and as such had no special connection to Jaffa, Lod, Ramle, Lydda, Haifa, Jerusalem or any other part of the land of Israel. Miko had to leave Israel before he made his first Palestinian friend, the result of his participation in a dialogue group in California. He was 39.

Peled insists that Israel/Palestine is one state. Facts on the ground are undeniable and irreversible– massive investment in infrastructure, cities,schools and malls for Jews only, Jewish only highways bisect and connect ever expanding settlements on the West Bank, the separation wall and the checkpoints have destroyed the possibility of a contiguous, viable Palestinian state. The question for Israelis, worldwide Jewry and the international community is: What kind of a state do we really want to see? An apartheid state with half the population confined to intolerable bantustans, without access to proper nutrition, medical care or clean water, condemned to humiliating long lines at checkpoints?

Or, will Israel/Palestine transform itself into a secular democracy for the five and a half million Israelis and almost five million Palestinians who live between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. To become such a sanctuary, Israel must give up the idea of Jewish dominion over all the land and resources.

Before Miko came to hold such a vision, he had to face his fears. Driving alone in the to Palestinian towns in the Galilee or the West Bank in a car with license plates that identified him as Israeli, Miko imagined a terrorist lurking behind every curve of the winding road following the rolling hills. Heading towards the village of Bil’in for the first time, he silently questioned if he was crazy to trust “these people”? Peled was afraid but kept on driving until he found the village and was greeted by friends.

The solution might be obvious but the problem remains, how to change the existing paradigm– from fear and loathing to co-existence? At the heart of Peled’s solution lies the realization that Israelis and Palestinians deserve to live in peace as equals in their shared homeland. At the a gathering in Taos, New Mexico, an Israeli woman who heard Miko speak told Miko that his father was the hero of her childhood, and in fact, a photograph of the general hung in their home. “It is an honor to meet the son of Matti Peled,” she said, “I had given up hope for any kind of just solution and try to stay removed from events there but I see how much you care and meeting you gives me hope.”

Those who cling to fear, mistrust or greed are under the false assumption that Palestinians and Israelis have a choice other than to live as equals. But it’s inevitable – the wall must come down, and the two people must be allowed to live as equal citizens in their shared homeland. Refusing this means condemning future generations of Israelis and Palestinians to ongoing mayhem and violence.

And Miko Peled’s family knows about that too. On September 4, 1997 they have lost their beloved Smadar, 13, the daughter of Miko’s sister Nurit and her husband Rami Elhanan to violence.

The bible tells us a great story of the patriarch Abraham willing to sacrifice his beloved son, Isaac to prove his faith. At the moment of truth, when Abraham was about to kill his son an angel appeared telling Abraham not to harm the boy. In the Koran, Abraham is about to sacrifice Ishmael to the same God and the angel of God appears telling him not to harm his beloved son, Ishmael. The moral of the story is quite clear: Neither Israelis or Palestinians are called to sacrifice their sons and daughters to war, in fact, whether we are believers or not we are all called by our God or our conscience to care for our children so that they may live in peace and grow up as the equals that they are.


cheers

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The history if Israel is this.

GOD made a covenant with Abraham and gave the land to him and his descendants and thats all that needs to be known. The descendants of Ishmael have to right to it. Israel should send them all packing at gun point.

 

Sheesh.......20 posts and going on my ignore list already.

 

Truth hurts doesnt?

 

the majority of them Jews/Palestinians will die in the valley of Meggio when Yeshua retuns. why you ask? because they are both Occupiers of a land that's not rightfully theirs. It belongs to the Israelites. this is why the bloodshed will increase and not cease.

It is written.

 

Rate things are going I'm going to able to zip through threads on here!

 

What a load of fekkin BS and you can go tell that to yr gawd.

 

We need more help for people like this.

Not kidding, think about it, in any other context, such comments would be seen as those of someone utterly deluded.

 

And not just any Israeli Jew, as with the other examples I give, also Jews, he is especially well placed to speak.

And yet, despite his undoubted authority, research, and attention to detail, you can be sure that the Zion Nazi deniers and defamers will be along soon enough.

The part after around 6 mins, in which he talks of Palestinian homes being offered out to friends and family of Israeli officers, albeit some refused them, it reminds me precisely of what Jews were allegedly subjected to, during the reign of Hitler, in which the SS would lay claim to homes of Jewish people, then simply give them over to German.

Little wonder then that some of the loudest voices against Israel and Zionism often come from those that suffered that sort of persecution.

They know what Israel are doing is wrong, and they are not afraid to say it.

They are not tricked by this idea of some sort of Jewish brotherhood, indeed, they see what Zionism is doing as being the enemy of Judaism.

 

Truth implies subjectivity and empiricism. Divine claimants have neither, as they've no factual evidence with which to back their farcical claims up. Has it ever occurred to you that this supposed "truth" is quite different for Palestinians? Their "truth" is quite different from yours -- and who's to say they're wrong?

 

And that, I think is where the whole problem in Israel/Palestine (and much of the rest of the world) lies, Plymouth...religion.

Not religion as in believing in a divinity as a private personal choice, but religion as a "truth" and an "only" truth, which has to be forced on other people by those who can see nothing else.

The loud well publicised voices of the fanatical of any religion drowns out the voices of the moderates of those religions...to the detriment of the world....and add fanatical politics to the mix and there is a recipe for a disaster which is starting to happen.

There would be less problems, imo, if fanaticism did not also produce a level of sociopathy, resulting in a complete lack of empathy for any opinion but their own.

When you get an amalgam of politicians and religious people who would not dream of walking a mile in anyone else's shoes getting into a powerful enough position that they can demand that everyone else walks in the shoes they will provide for them, then we are all doomed....and maybe sooner than later!

I get quite depressed about life sometimes..and mostly when I post on here.

I wish I had the will power to stop adding to my extensive ignore list, and just delete the link to here instead!

 

Well said .

You're obviously not one of the "Plymouth Bretheren "

cheers.

 

Another Video worth watching..A Jewish American, born in 1948 Palestine, in a plea to Christians to question the racist and immoral behavior of Israel's Zionist government.

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This one is a Palestinian Christian living under Israeli Occupation telling about her life.

Also well worth watching..and a lot shorter.

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Thank you.

Will watch both of these later.

Jack

 

I thought she was very sincere, composed, and spoke so very well.

 

Did that Israeli ever make good on their promise to watch and comment?

Hmmm

 

You jest......don't you?

Won't get any comments from irrational Zionists (at least none I'll see because most of them are on my ignore list) though that Israeli isn't yet.

Haven't you noticed, that if there isn't a little bit of a factual post they can snip out of context and respond to with their insults or lies, that post usually gets ignored.

Just as well I didn't expect anything else......but then, unlike the original Video thread "The True History of Israel and Palestine" which this thread was intended to rebut, there isn't a lot any Zionist, however irrational, can say to refute any of it.

Apart from the fact that the original thread started life in the Latest World News forum, before it was removed to its rightful place here, the reason it runs to seven pages is because the video is pure fantasy....while none of these are..so there was opportunity for argument for and against it, if not discussion of it.

And what you can't deny you just ignore. That's Zionism 101!

 

I guess I do.

Rest assured though, every time someone on the net is critical of ANYTHING Israel do, there will be a Zion Nazi lying handy, just so that they can try to muddy the waters, with lies, half truths, and rhetoric.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/06/giyus_megaphone/

 

It does make the reasonably intelligent wonder why Israel cannot rely on the justice of both their cause and their actions without resorting to recruiting people to bum them up. It could not possibly be because there is no justice in their cause or actions, could it?

You know something, I've been on the internet since the 1990s and have yet to see any indication of the Palestinians actively recruiting people to join forums or media comment pages to push their agenda.

And if they do, I'm kinda hacked off that they ain't paying me to do what I'd be doing anyway.

 

While there are certainly many groups that are dedicated to the fair and humane treatment of the Palestianians, many Jewish, and while it is true that they may write on blogs, run websites, organise demo's, or whatever, there is no modern day idealogy that systematically sets out to deceive more, and lie more, than that of the Zionist Movement.

Their pursuit of this is both shameful and relentless.

The closest thing I have ever come across that compares in their dedication to the perpetuating of lies, and the revision of history, would be those today who are what we may call German Nazi sympathisers.

As with all propoganda, there is an element of truth in what they offer, that is what propoganda is, it is mostly lies and distortion, with some truth in it.

The difference is that while the German Neo Nazi is largely a figure of fun, and somewhat on the fringe, the Zion Nazi influences the very highest level of modern Gov's.

That's what I call dangerous.

 

God made a covenant with Abraham. He gave the land to him and his descendants. Thats all you need to know. ANything else is propaganda and a lie. Israel belongs to the jews not the descendants of that slave girl.

 

Yes.

We are discussing politics.

Not conversations with fairies, gods, demons or pixies.

Myth is interesting, but no basis for reality.

Thanks