The Red Sea is parting again, but this time Moses doesn’t have a hand in it.

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    Imagine actually being able to see this happening via satellite.

    The Red Sea is parting again, but this time Moses doesn’t have a hand in it.

    Arabian tectonic plate and African plate are moving away from each other

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1393863.../scientists-earthquakes-causing-red-sea-part/

    Satellite images show that the Arabian tectonic plate and the African plate are moving away from each other, stretching the Earth's crust and widening the southern end of the Red Sea, scientists reported in this week's issue of journal Nature.

    Last September, a series of earthquakes started splitting the planet's surface along a 37-mile section of the East African Rift in Afar, Ethiopia.

    Using the images gathered by the European Space Agency's Envisat radar satellite, researchers looked at satellite data before and after these activities.

    Earth-shattering shift

    Over a period of three weeks, the crust on the sides of the rift moved apart by 26 feet and magma (molten rock)—enough to fill a football stadium more than 2,000 times—was injected along a vertical crack, forming a new crust.

    "We think that the crust and mantle melt slowly at depths greater than 10 kilometers [6 miles], where it is hotter, forming magma," said Tim J Wright, study co-author, a Royal Society University Research Fellow. "This magma rises through the crust because it is less dense than the surrounding rock.”

    The magma collects in magma chambers at depths of 3 to 5 kilometers [1.9 to 3 miles] where the density is the same as the crustal rocks, Wright explained. "Slowly, the pressure has been building up in these chambers until last September when it finally cracked, breaking the crust along a vertical crack. The magma was then injected into this crack."

    The intrusion of magma into the gap, rather than the cracking of the crust, is responsible for segmentation of continental drifts.

    This is the first rifting episode to have occurred since 1970 and the largest single rip in the Earth's continental crust during the satellite-monitoring era.

    "We knew about the steady rifting process in Afar, as Arabia moves away from Africa across the rift," Wright said. "And we knew that occasionally the strain that builds up slowly over centuries is released suddenly in rifting episodes. We did not know how big the deformation could be."

    Slow drift

    For the past 30 million years Africa and Arabia have been going through a rifting process, the same one that formed the Red Sea. In this amount of time, the 186-mile- wide Afar depression formed.

    "The ground is continually moving—much more rapidly now than before the rifting episode," Wright told LiveScience. "On average, the two sides move apart at about 2 centimeters per year [0.8 inches per year]. But, as this event demonstrates, the motion is episodic and jerky. This poses considerable hazard to the local inhabitants, which is higher for the next few years."

    This latest split, added to the long-term rifting process, which is tearing the northeast of Ethiopia and Eritrea from the rest of Africa, could eventually create a huge new sea.

    Although such processes could take millions of years to occur, this event has given scientists an unprecedented opportunity to monitor the rupture in real time.

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    ah this is way further down into Africa at Ethiopia so maybe why I dont see any change where I am in sea level

    Some people don't believe the Red Sea is where Moses crossed.

    They say it is the Sea of Reeds which is Lake Bardawiil in the North of Sinai between Suez and Arish. Where the birds all migrate to on the way to Africa.


    A biblical error they say.
     
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    I don't believe there was a Moses or an Exodus.. To me it is a morality tale.

    Consider the meaning of Yam Suf.
     
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    the 10 commandments?

    some say the holy grail is in Lake Bardawiil
     
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    Egyptian Book of the Dead.

    They weren't slaves in Egypt.... nor did they build the pyramids.
     
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    Yam Suf

    Muslims believe the bible is corrupted

    This is one example I suppose
     
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    Or it just means the Hebrews were delivered out of chaos and unbelief.
     
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    Yes they were slaves in Egypt.

    The Valley of the Kings and our temples have many drawings of the slaves.

    Not all slaves though build pyramids though.

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    Yes they were slaves in Egypt.

    The Valley of the Kings and our temples have many drawings of the slaves.

    Not all slaves though build pyramids though.
     
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    I think nothing can save the Hebrews and their children even today.

    they are lost
     
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    excuse me I need to leave now

    I have a wife to beat to make me some food and a few crucifixions to attend to before 9pm

    :mrgreen:

    I will check on this thread tomorrow :thumbsup:
     
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    Moot point. Moses likely never existed.
     
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    Or maybe Moses is a literary device???
     
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    Same diff. :D He was something for the ancient Israelites to rally around and believe in, a folk hero, and possibly a sun hero as well, a bit like Christ later on. Check this out:

    Unlikely events are a mythologist’s prerogative. Moses survived by fortuitous circumstance; Jesus greatness was supposed to be known when he was born. That an Egyptian princess could get away with defying her father is incredible. That Moses young sister had access to the princess is incredible. That Moses’ mother, who at first couldn’t hide him, nursed him with Pharaoh’s knowledge and consent is incredible. The writer did not even know Pharaoh’s name and to this day, no Pharaoh can be matched to the events of the Exodus. The name of Moses is mentioned nowhere outside the Bible and Egyptian historical records do not confirm any mass exodus of slaves or mass death of first born. The evidence that Moses was largely a mythical character accumulates as the story of the Exodus unfolds.

    There is a parallel myth that preceded the Bible, and probably the source for Moses’ origin. Cuneiform texts say this about King Sargon of Akkad, about 2360 BCE.

    “I am Sargon, the powerful king, the king of Akkad. My mother was an Enitu priestees, I did not know any father . . . . My mother conceived me and bore me in secret. She put me in a little box made of reeds, sealing its lid with pitch. She put me in the river. . . . The river carried me away and brought me to Akki the drawer of water. Akki the drawer of water adopted me and brought me up as his son. . .”


    http://www.usbible.com/Bible/Exodus-Egypt.html
     
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    I had heard that comparison.
     
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    FYI................
     
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    Why are the great, conspicuous and imposing pyramids and temples never, never mentioned in the Bible?
     
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    Perhaps it wasn't necessary to the salvation of man's soul? I mean the pyramids are impressive structures no doubt, but they have nothing to do with saving a man's soul. Why bother mentioning something that doesn't matter in the eternal perspective?

    Truth be told I haven't the foggiest why they weren't mentioned. But it doesn't really matter either way now does it?
     
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    I agree. But I was just curious -- no criticism or offense was intended.

    The authors of the Bible talk about everything else (landmarks and objects in that region), so I was just curious.
     
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    The pyramids were built 1000 years before the hebrews were in egypt.
     
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    No, you see pics of workers. What makes you think they are slaves?
     
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    The Habiru (hebrews) were in Goshin, 100+ miles from Cairo. They probably never saw them.
     
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    My default method of making sense of the temporal world (meaning the tangible world not the spiritual world) includes axioms such as knowing that nothing is 100% accurate neither is anything 100% a sure thing. So with that in mind I can agree that there is a slight chance Moses didn’t exist, or as you say Moses might be a literary device or is representing another man, a family etc. Or although I am fairly sure Islam is a corruption of a near copy of the original and true religion of the Hebrew God , there is a slight chance that Islam’s version of God etc is true.
    Of course anyone that know me would know I believe that God, Moses and the bible’s accuracy and credibility have a 99.9 to the thousands power range of being true, and other competing versions of spirituality God and such things are probably more wrong than correct.

    My faith in the bibles accuracy etc was not arrived at by the traditional way because conventional faith requires no evdience at all. But at first I needed something to support my faith and I found it in Scientific evidences. Not only science there are other varied disciplines from philosophy to the study of the mind to emerging evidences of almost every type of study have convinced me of the bibles truth etc .

    A good example of emerging evidence that may make a believer out of you, or at the very least will debunk your many suspicions of the Exodus and the players therein. Not only that this evdience and methods wjll support verify and validate as well as many historical accounts parlayed in the 'Christian' bible . The bible is scoffed by many secular archeologist’s and other professional scientists that study Egyptology and related subjects. I should have said WAS scoffed, as in the PAST, not is, lol! Recently about a week ago I visited the campus library (at UT) researching my book (isn’t everyone writing a book?). Quite unexpectedly while in the ‘document section’ I came across a paper that detailed a push by a diverse group of both extra-biblical (secular non biblical scholars) as well as scientists and archeologists that held the bible and God as creditable etc. They were e supporting a drive to discredit the current method of dating Egypt’s archeological history and timelines of its rulers etc. which would then verify biblical accounts of the timeline as credible and verifiable etc. However I will post the details hyperlinks etc in my next reply, as this post is getting rather lengthy…

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    A fictitious account, I say, and Moses a fictitious character.
     
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    Many people I have spoken with feel miracles should possess a supernatural element. First the bible indicates there was and will be periods of supernatural miracles. I feel that most miracles are events that fall within the realm of natural occurrence, because supernatural events call for suspending or altering natural law.
    Using the OT as an example Maybe the red sea parted via natural causes. The God did it enters the mix because the natural event was planned and designed by God before the big bang to happen at the precise moment that Moses needed to cross....In either words the temporal universe like a quantum computer running a program called the mind of God.

    Yes I know there will be the usual (insults) comments by the usual suspects.

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