The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons

Seriously, you dems. Crack me up. From G.W.B. lied, there were no wmds it was a war about oil. To your new claim that oh yes there were many wmds in iraq but they were as harmless as a box of cheerios because they were stashed for years... how bout just saying I AM SORRY WE WERE WRONG GEORGE.

 

But to the Bush haters that is irrelevant. We shall see how irrelevant it is when ISIS threatens the entire middle east with chemical weapons

 

Makes one wonder why we heard the mantra "no WMD's"....clearly that was a big lie. Sure, they werent Nukes...but noone claimed Saddam had nukes, just that he wanted them.

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Just dont look at the Kurds in Kobani in 2014. They're proof of the longevity of these weapons.

 

They knew Iraq had piles of old, abandoned chem shells back in March 2003. Those weren't WMDs that Bush claimed made Iraq an "urgent threat" justifying invasion.

We don't know that yet.

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Feel free to point out where I ever said the there were WMDs in Iraq.

I think you should apologize to George for calling him a liar.

 

Bush admitted there were no nukes.

And that last sentence is freaking hilarious. Go ask the Kurds in Syria and Iraq right freaking now if those weapons are old and unusable. And a chemical weapon IS a WMD. Look up the definition.

 

Amazing watching the liberals try and say this story is bull(*)(*)(*)(*) from the NYT

 

Bush admitted there were no WMDs.

Bush, 8/21/2006:

Now look, part of the reason we went into Iraq was -- the main reason we went into Iraq, at the time, was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't, ....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/21/AR2006082100469.html

It hasn't been confirmed that they were chemical weapons, and if they were, that they were taken from Iraq and not Syria.

If indeed the US found chemical weapons in 2005-06 that are indeed WMD as dangerous as you claim they are, then why weren't they destroyed? It would have been criminal not to destroy such WMD.

If indeed the US found chemical weapons in 2005-06 that are WMD, why did Bush (and Rove and others in the administration) say no WMD were found?

Bush had every reason to redeem his administration and war if WMD were found. Yet even he has the integrity to admit it. And a lot more than many conservatives here, it appears.

 

Indeed we were complicit. We were supporting Saddam before and after he used chemical weapons against Iran and his own people.

When Peter Galbraith, then a Staff member of the US Senate committee on US foreign relations, went to Iraq personally and saw the gassed out towns he rushed back and drafted the

"Prevention of Genocide Act" which was to sanction Saddam. The bill passed quickly through the senate but then Reagan threatened Veto and that was the end of that bill. Bush Sr. not only continued to support Saddam but increased that support. The comment of his Son some years later "We are not only going after the terrorists but supporters of terrorism" was huge irony.

Then again we ignored Saddam's use of Chemical weapons in the aftermath of Gulf War I.
http://www.alternet.org/story/49864...lped_saddam_hussein_prevent_an_iraqi_uprising

Most of Saddam's stockpiles of chemical weapons were either gone or in disrepair by the time Gulf War II happened and he did not have an active program ongoing to make more.

The claim that suddenly the remnants of this program were somehow a massive threat to US citizens such that we needed to go to war was a joke then and it is a joke now.

 

because Saddam kept Lying to the WMD investigators that he got rid of all his
Chemical weapons.Saddam was a Liar.of course those Chemical weapons that out troops
found were destroyed.Just like all those weapons/ammo cache found throughout Iraq by our
troops,usually out in the desert or some remote village got destroyed right on sight.
Only Fox carried any video of troops shown destroying huge piles of ammo/weapons
which in itself was near hazardous duty due to the mass of explosions.
Fox was the only news outlet that informed viewers of the 500 or more
munitions with mustard or sarin agents found.And Fox was the only news outlet
actually reporting on the huge stockpiles of often buried cache of ammo/weapons
and actual video of their being destroyed { burned }.
Not ABC or CBS or NBC. Not CNN and especially not MSNBC.
Just Fox.Which is where any decent Patriot,God-fearing and concerned
Citizen who cares about America goes to get their news.
Just like the way Fox covered the entire theatre of Iraqi Freedom,the
Shock & Awe campaign and the toppling of Saddams statue.
Covered with War Correspondents or Inbed journalists.While the jeering
hyena at MSNBC were playing tiddlywinks or footsies under their Host desks.

 

According to the NYT, the Iraqi government reported that 2,500 chemical rockets remained on the grounds of the Muthanna State Establishment when it was overrun by ISIS Militants.

The same story mentions they were being gathered up and brought to that complex and a the plan was to entomb them in concrete, but it obviously didnt happen and the complex was over run by ISIS.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...emical-weapons-during-iraq-war-report-claims/

maybe not enough of them were found at that point in the timeline to validate it...perhaps the WMD he referred to in that interview was the Yello cake that Saddam was supposedly looking for...which was false intel. Who knows.

If all of the WMD's found had been found before he made that speech in 2006, then sure. We'd need to see the timeline of the finds, and seeing how Malikis Government is reporting ISIS overran a facility they were storing them for disposal makes the timeline look later than Bushes speech.

Noone is any longer disputing that Chemical Weapons have been found in Iraq. People are even talking about Pentagon coverups.

 

Nonsense,

One thing Bush is not is a man of principle. The Bush adminstration was the most self serving and corrupt adminstration we've had in nearly 100 years.

If the rusty shell cases that people found buried in the desert even came close to meeting the standard for an active WMD program, Bush, Cheney, Rove and their buddies would have shouted it from the rooftops.

 

Yes, where they were left since they were discovered in 2006 because they were inoperative.

Non sequitur. Why does the fact that it was overrun by ISIS mean that they were not buried in concrete?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...emical-weapons-during-iraq-war-report-claims/

2500 shells? If they were WMD and as dangerous as you imply, that doesn't provide a logical reason.

They had found about 4000 of them by then. What difference should it have made for his speech? If these were really "WMD" he would have every incentive to say so to justify his war.

No one ever did dispute it. We knew that they had old abandoned chemical weapons before the war.

We were attacking Iraq for the "urgent threat" of "Weapons of Mass Destruction." Not Weapons, Moldy and in Disrepair.

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Saddam was dead when they found the old chemical shells Bush had the integrity not to try to label "WMD".

 

I hate to say that you dems look like fools. But, YOU LOOK LIKE FOOLS.

 

Baseless insults? Hey, I can do that too!

I hate to say that you cons look like fools, But, YOU LOOK LIKE FOOLS.

Baseless insults are fun and easy and often substitute for facts, logic and reason from people who cannot muster them.

 

Have any of our friends on the right even bothered to read the NYT article? I do wonder, considering some of the comments being made. As near as I can tell from the story, anyone attempting to use those degraded shells was in more danger than whomever they were pointed at.

 

I guess the whole, "Bush lied...peopel died" meme Liberals have been using for years can be put to bed can't it? Can we replace it with Obama, when we experience a full fledged epidemic in the US, because our moron PC President was too stupid to shut down travel from Africa, and refusing anyone entrance who's been in Africa, without first being tested and quarantined.

 

It is best to fully read the article.
http://news.yahoo.com/chemical-weapons-found-in-iraq-nyt-report-135347507.html
Among the reasons for the secrecy? "The discoveries of these chemical weapons did not support the government’s invasion rationale," Chivers writes. "After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, [President George W.] Bush insisted that [Iraqi leader Saddam] Hussein was hiding an active weapons of mass destruction program, in defiance of international will and at the world’s risk. United Nations inspectors said they could not find evidence for these claims."

Pathetic to just edit out the words for your argument.

 

That's his opinion, and has nothing to do with the chemicals, and the death they can cause. I can see you are perfectly OK with ISIS getting their hands on that mustard gas and using it. It also doesn't negate the fact that there was WMD's, and they are still usable.

 

That'd be funnier if innocents had not been hurt.

It means the manuals should have been updated with warning-info about possible old ordinance.

That means either there was a flaw in military intelligence not-knowing old ordinance was laying around (and to be fair, who would have thought a weapon given to Iraq to use against Iran would not have been used... blame CIA for not telling anyone the dork-recipiants were too disorganized to use all the weapons presented), or...

... actually... I don't know. Why didn't Sadham use them?

 

Facts say otherwise....Saddam was waiting for sanctions to be lifted to resume his chem/bio weapons programs...I mean WHO makes brake fluid out of castor beans?

 

I wonder how many times i read on here. Bush lied about wmds in iraq. Yep bush lied young men died. Seems like lies to me.

 

Well you can believe that if you like however now the clues add up a bit better.
ISIS appears to have used chemical weapons in Kobani, you had claimed we didn't know if they got them from Iraq or Syria.

Iraqi government is reporting that they got some from Iraq.

Ask a Kobani Kurd how inoperative those are.

 

This thread is full of people who didn't read the article.

Cheney & Bush claimed Saddam had a new program of WMDs that is why you guys went in.
Not the old program that USA knew about for decades because you guys (*)(*)(*)(*)ing gave it to him so he can gas the Kurds.

 

The material alone is not a weapon. Wrong again!!!

 

That is what the article said.

Repetitive.