Guy questions the science and technological ability of his fellow humans and refuses to read their work. All the while using and misusing the technology the same people made available for him to spread his idiocy. Cerb... ESA has some very good sites and even a Youtube channel you can check out. You missed the citizen debate on space a few weeks ago. It was held in every ESA member state and you had the chance to influence their policies. If you actually went out into the world you could meet these people. If you go to the ESA site you can even find email addresses for the people working on the projects. Why don't you send them an email?
As if the charlatans would take any notice of me - or of anyone else either, outside of the 'industry'! 'Sustain the mystique and keep up with the BS and you'll have a job for life,' that's their 'corporate message'.
As explained in the post you quoted. ESA is very open and easy to contact. All their data is also made available to the public without any cost. You are trying to be conspiratorial with one of the most open international agencies out there. Go to their websites and check it out yourself instead of this endless paranoia and distrust. By the way... I thought I was on your ignore list EDIT: As mentioned as well... You missed the citizens debate. You can see the results here and what we talked about. You can see what the 64 people including me chose in Ireland as to what ESA should focus on, what kind of policies we want for ESA and space and so on. http://www.citizensdebate.space/en_GB
Isn't the question actually how big is the universe we are in? Space is nothing and therefore inherently infinite.
And the obvious answer is...nobody knows. The universe is as big as we can see, it may be bigger but we cannot see it to know. Instead we postulate and hypothesize about what may be going on before we can see it or next door in another parallel version we also cannot see. It's like God...anyone who says they know is either lying to themselves and you, totally insane, or confused about reality.
` I would agree with that synopsis. Us three dimensional creatures are not "hard wired" (so to speak) accept data beyond our 3D reality. For example, we can never know what a fourth dimension looks like much less even imagine what it looks like, for example; Flatland & the 4th Dimension - Carl Sagan
Cool book....footfall was as well, though I preferred pale blue dot. It may very well be that the 4th dimension (time) is something we will eventually come to understand as more than what it seems s well.
Call me conspiratorial, call me a paranoiac, I don't care, but this 'space' hype (and I'm not denying that the universe exists? ) is the biggest mass confidence trick ever devised, it being a corporate money-attracting subterfuge to provide jobs for life for charlatans who have convinced us (well the more childlike of us) that there are questions that only they can answer provided (note that word) various governments' research funding - your taxes? - keeps on gushing in, and by the very nature of the subject those questions are literally unending: I was going to say 'One day they'll let the cat out of their bag by asserting something so ridiculous that even you won't believe it.', but if people like you are gullible enough to believe every preposterous word NASA and ESA churn out, it's quite obvious they'll get away with it forever. Give me one good reason why they're all obsessing about Mars when humankind will not only fail to travel such distances, but if they ever do get there nobody could live there anyway? Meanwhile just keep reading my signature and think of me as 'the boy who spotted that the emperor wasn't wearing any clothes'? I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about apropos 'the citizens debate'. Don't bother to elaborate though because I have more important things to be interested in!
Good intelligent post. But I still can't get my head around the 'infinity' bit - in my simplistic way of rationalising it must end, so what's beyond? I actually believe it's one of the 4 momentous questions for which humankind is destined never to learn the answers.
` ` If the universe is infinite in size and has no clear first moment in time, then what happened before the big bang? What lies beyond infinity? What is north of the North Pole?
According to Isaac Asimov infinity means "it goes on endlessly". It is a process not a number and we know of many things that are infinite.
The ant analogy might help. Imagine you are an intelligent ant in the Amazon rain forest. In your lifetime you might manage to climb a tree or two...wander over hundreds of yards of ground and even dig a tunnel. This is your entire world and the rest of the Amazon is a part of it you will never know. Now imagine someone instals a TV which shows you videos of Brazil, you quickly learn that even though yo have explored and done a lot in your life it is far less than you thought. Now....someone pops a new video in about the Cosmos and your mind is blown, your ant pants are wet, and after you recover from this soiling event you decide to go explore what you have just seen. You ain't seen nothin' yet baby....and never actually will.
According to Tecoyah it means "We do not Know". It is a concept and term used to describe unlimited possibility and imagination. We "Know" of nothing that is infinite...only that we think it IS.
Not that I am aware of....but then again, would I be aware if I did? Why do you ask as I believe my commentary has been consistent and thoughtful.
