The supposed account of Enoch..

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  1. delade

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    Supposedly, from what I can remember, Enoch was the man who was taken by God because he walked with God and he found favor in God's Eyes. So God took him and he, Enoch, was no more. 2 other men in The Holy Bible were also 'taken'. Moses, whose body was contended over by Michael and the 'Devil' and also Elijah who was taken up in a The Chariot of God. 3 men were 'taken'. 2 of them while alive and Moses after he had passed.


    From what I can remember Enoch was a righteous man. He sought The Lord and called upon The Name of The LORD during a time when very few persons were calling upon The Name of The LORD. And from what I can remember, Enoch began spending less time outdoors and more time indoors. After Enoch searched his heart as to the situation of things and how God and himself was part of the large picture that he was seeing, he began to retrieve indoors more often to spend more time in prayer and solitude with God. First it started with once a year, then it moved to every half year, then to every month then to every week then to every day. Soon, if my memory is still accurate, he began to stay indoors daily and his ventures out into the public was, at first, once a day then to once a week then to once a month then to once every 6 months and then to once a year. He made it a point to at least get outdoors once a year just to make sure that life was still going on outside his home.

    And when he began to spend more time indoors with God and less time with the general public, he began to see public living in a very different light. He began to notice how busy they all were, how unfocused they all were, how easily distracted and how easily entertained they all were. He saw how unacknowledging of God they all were. So this grieved Enoch very much and he brought his concerns to God. It is at this point, I believe, that God began to walk with Enoch and Enoch began to walk with God.

    Always being outdoors with all the activity that is going on will dull the senses. Sights, smells and hearing will become dulled. Pungent odors will no longer be as pungent, loud noises will no longer be as loud, filthy sights will not be as filthy. And talking and communication between persons will not be seen as unnecessary. People's attitudes and the way they carry themselves will begin to be second nature even to the point of having those ways deemed 'individuality'. And even the most 'common' of them will have a particular style about them that even they might not know they possess. Haircuts, grooming, driving patterns, etc can be seen as unfocused, easily distracted and easily entertained. Their smiles can be given at a whim's notice and their frowns can appear just as quick. Judgments and Rightful discretion is almost as second nature. Soon, they begin getting 'set' in those ways and patterns and behaviors. And soon after, they begin to become unwilling to change their 'daily' ways. The things they see as offensive never gets a chance to have its voice heard and the things which they see as offensive are pushed further and further away from where all the hustle and bustle of public living occurs.

    Basically, the only thing that changes is their knowledge of how to push certain 'groups' of individuals out of their perimeters.

    Residing in these sorts of towns and cities can be a very sorrowful experience if you are a sincere believer in Christ Jesus.

    What amazes me is how they, the other human beings, do not know what the definition of 'Love' and 'Compassion' are..

    I guess in a way their daily attempt to push out the unwanted is a hardening of their hearts that is occurring until they fully reach the point of having their heart be as 'stone'. Maybe at that point the only 'voice' they will hear is the voice of monies and its reasonings.

    Sure there might not be as many public displays of illicit drug use but if it is seen they will be using 'pretty' paraphernalia in pretty clothes and pretty cocaine vials.

    'Wholesome' cities and towns are more concerned with keeping wholesomeness within its perimeters rather than monies within their perimeters.

    Proverbs 16:8
    "Better is a little with righteousness than great revenues without right."


    Proverbs 13:11
    "Wealth gained quickly will dwindle away, but the one who gathers it little by little will become rich." - NET


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    If you want to be successful, don't cheat.

    Proverbs 20:23
    "Divers weights are an abomination unto the LORD; and a false balance is not good."


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    Proverbs 26:12
    "Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him." - NET Bible


    Psalm 14:1
    "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good." - To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.


    Proverbs 15:5
    "A fool despiseth his father's instruction: but he that regardeth reproof is prudent."


    instruction : http://biblehub.com/strongs/hebrew/4148.htm
    bond, chastening eth, chastisement, check, correction, discipline

    From yacar; properly, chastisement; figuratively, reproof, warning or instruction; also restraint -- bond, chastening ((-eth)), chastisement, check, correction, discipline, doctrine, instruction, rebuke.


    Hebrews 12:5
    "And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:"


    Matthew 24:35
    "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."


    Isaiah 48:17
    "Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go."


    Hebrews 13:8
    "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

    Psalm 40:7-10
    "Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

    8I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

    9I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O LORD, thou knowest."

    10I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation.
     
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    Hebrews 10:7-10

    "Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

    8Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

    9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

    10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."


    Which Covenant was taken away? The Covenant of sacrifice, offering and burnt offerings and offering for 'sin'...



    GIVE ME SALVATION.... BUT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE!


    (Yeah, you sure can... But you better believe that you will receive a reward for those 'other' good things you did).


    YEAH YEAH YEAH... GO GET A JOB OR A BRAIN ALREADY WILL YOU??? SOME JOBS DON'T REQUIRE TOO MUCH BRAIN... SHEESH....
     
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    Would you consider Hollywood a job?

    Let me rephrase... How many 'sectors' of Hollywood are there?

    Music
    Movies

    anything else?? Because I personally do not know...
     
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    just wanted to say, in my heart, I can feel the words of God, but in my gut, I feel the words about Enoch. I think he is rightly Not in the Holy Bible.

    thanks for posting from the bible. I was in need of reading those words, but didn't know till I felt them in my heart.
     
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    A question.... Why would anybody be jealous or envious of God's Children and God's blessings and provisions?

    Rather than entering in to receive from God, why would someone remain on the outside showing himself/herself against the Blessings of God for no reason and for no personal gain??

    Does NOBODY find those sorts of actions and mental reasonings 'strange, bizarre' and something that should be monitored?? It could lead to danger... Danger to self and to others.. No sound person attacks a believer just because he/she is a believer of The Only True God, right? Why would they? Do you think they are trying to raise the membership counts to their particular faith so they can receive what God gives to His Children?

    John 14:6
    "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."


    I mean, if the anti Gods succeeded in 'killing' off all the believers, what would they be left with? A planet where God is NOT? Might they 'kill' off all believers only to see if God would go that extra mile to save them also after all His Children were no more?? Are they 'testing' HIM through this?? Are they asking, 'I want to see if God loves me after there is noone I can be compared to'? And if yes, what kind of mental reasoning do these persons possess? Rather than living and being without the need to 'kill', they are going to kill to live and be?? Or to see if they will stop breathing all of a sudden? Besides, what sorts of crap have they allowed to enter into their minds and hearts to even think and feel towards God, the ONE whose Sun is in the Sky everyday, that HE wants them dead or hurt or whatever else they might be presuming???

    Human beings with these sorts of mental reasonings are supposedly the Leaders of this world???

    I mean seriously.... Honestly.. What sorts of crap are they eating as food for their spirit??


    You know though.. Strangely enough, they will even 'kill' their own mother....


     
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    Enoch is....

    Genesis 5:21-24
    "And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:

    22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

    23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:

    24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."


    What made you think that Enoch was NOT in The Holy Bible???
     
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    I guess I was thinking of the book of Enoch? Isn't that in another collection of books left out? It's been some time since I read the bible. I should read a little every day or even every week. I get distracted or lazy or need a break to absorb what I read and how it applies to me at that time, and then put it down and don't think about picking it up again, like I already got all I can out of it.

    We know it is not that kind of book. I can get something new out of the same passage depending on my outlook, perspective or thoughts that day. Weird, but it's what I have found for myself.
     
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    Also remember that it isn't only in knowledge but in deeds and works that an upright person is upright. I was thinking the other day that I live for God's approval, not for man's. What man might disapprove of God might approve of and visa versa. And so knowing what is acceptable and pleasing to and with God by reading makes living easier. I mean, how many persons do I see every day who are probably atheists and God haters that I have to try to live among?? I shouldn't automatically expect nor think that their living styles and ways are upright, right? And if I begin to step out of my relationship with God to be more social with them, then I would have accepted the ways of an atheist over the ways of God, in a round about way.. The more I associate with such non believers and even God haters, the more likely I will eventually separate myself further and further away from the relationship I had with God originally. It just makes sense... You hang out with drinkers, you will probably end up drinking from time to time.. Drinking in it of itself is not bad nor a sin, but the analogy is there. I have had some 'friends' leave me because I really enjoyed talking about God. 2 people who do not agree cannot walk very far together.

    Also the word approval does not mean that I am in disapproval with HIM everyday... I just like getting the 'well dones' periodically. Job well done, kind of thing.... Or even, 'day well done.' :)

    Although HE is GOD, HE is also my 'Boss'. :)


    And can you imagine how you might react or handle it if the person in the above video was a neighbor and you knew of his doings??? Or if you lived in a city where Police was not responsive???

    Crime, noise pollution, heat, cold, weather, traffic is everywhere... Some people have the luxury of NOT living in a highly dense populated city, per square mile, while others have to live within a city with a very high density of people per square mile.
     
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    Some believe that it includes words and deeds. Some do not. I do. Many are near violently angry when that is known. Life can be difficult.

    By learning what He wants, we can try to follow more closely.

    I think it's best if we don't think anyone's lifestyles are upright, until they are tested against what is written, in the way we were told to test. These, I do not know well. I know of them. Another reason to read more than I have.

    We should not strive to be like anyone, but follow in the path of the Lord. His ways are easy and His burdens light.

    I think much of the reason we fall is due to our own nature, which is evil. I think God provides what we need, but we have to receive those gifts willingly and with faith and love. I think we must know ourselves and the relationship we have with God, to have a healthy relationship with anyone. I don't think it is any different whether the companion is atheist, pagan or agnostic.

    I do believe it is healthy and wise to have companions of similar beliefs, who will not lead us into sin. I also believe that each of us has a duty to choose wisely, to know when it is time to talk and time to be still. I think we must know when it is time to leave.

    We are all human and make mistakes. I can't be perfect, so I may as well not act it. I am a sinner who is on a journey of my own. No one can come with me. I must go alone. If I am blessed with God's mercy and grace, I will make it. Otherwise, I am lost. I believe I am forgiven. I guess the rest is up to me and time.

    I don't believe that God is my boss. I think we have a different kind of relationship with him. I think we are like sheep, and He is the shepherd. We form the church, His bride, and He is our groom, metaphorically.

    He is our Father, who is in heaven. His Only begotten Son freely and willingly gave His life for us with, in and through love, to be the perfect eternal sacrifice, so that we might be forgiven and made perfect in His work.

    I do not recognize any "well-dones", and don't remember being promised any. I only remember that it is up to me to pick up my cross daily,
    and follow Him.

    Forgive me where I have made mistakes. I am not perfect. I am as imperfect or more, than any.

    I must watch the video to comment on it.

    Living in densely populated areas must be very difficult and require extra grace. I think our earthly parents normally provide us with at least some of the tools we need. Then, it's up to us.

    The evidence that one can be closed in on and still follow the paths of righteousness are there to read and discern. That seem like little comfort, but it is great comfort for the faithful.
     
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    We are all, every one of us, to one degree or another, like that teenage killer in the video. He is much more consumed by his psychopathy than most. He coldly reasoned that he should kill his mother because he had enough of her. She was meaningless to him. He did not need her any more. He saw no reason for her to live beyond her usefulness and he chose to end her life. He enjoyed what he did. He learned how someone would look when dying and that pleased him. He is not able to place himself in her shoes, for even a moment.

    He is very ill. He should not continue to live, in my opinion, but I am not the judge. I wonder if he would be afraid of dying, but I believe he is most important in his life and while dying would be a curiosity, he would not desire it.

    I am no psychologist, so, it's simply my opinion and fallible.
     
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    It seems to me as if you are a believer of Christ yet have not read God's Word yet. You stated, "I do not recognize any "well-dones", and don't remember being promised any." However God does promise a 'well done'. Matthew 25: 14-21 " 14For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. 15And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. 16Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents. 17And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. 18But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

    19After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them. 20And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more. 21His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord."


    The direct promise of any 'well done' is not explicitly written but God is the Ruler of the Kingdom of Heaven...

    It makes me to wonder if many people who say nice things about God or even horrible things about God even know what they are saying. They say certain things which are either NOT in The Holy Bible or they say that certain things that ARE in The Holy Bible are not. Yet they claim to have understanding and knowledge.. This is strange to me..
     
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    Oh, I read it a few times. I just haven't memorized as much as I'd like. I wasn't taught to read it, as a child. I was taught about it. So, that is why I am lacking.

    There is also something about being pressed down and so forth.

    I'm not sure about that one. I've given as much as I could. Maybe I did not give enough? Maybe what is given won't be, until I'm gone?


    Many misunderstand that have read it. Many, as me, haven't read it enough. I keep saying I should read it more. I put it off and forget in the effort to forget or "put away" other things.


    Don't be troubled about it.



    Looks like many who think they will make it, won't. That includes me. I can only do the best I can and hope for mercy. I am far from perfect.

     
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    I am glad to have found the Book of Enoch on youtube.



     
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    Prediluvian? You actually believe in a global flood?
     
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    Wasn't Methusalah taken before physical death as well? At age 1000 iirc.
     
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    The book of Enoch was only written about 300 bc.
     

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