The Trinity - 1 Yet 3 - Makes Human Family-Love-Relationships Possible

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    some families

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 22:28-29&version=NIV

     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Someone saying "us" in Genesis does not mean a trinity exists ? It means the reverse mate. It means "More than one" had a hand in creating humans.

    The trinity the people of Abrahams time and later Israelites knew of consisted of multiple Gods .. Father, Mother Son - each separate Gods- having nothing to do with our modern concept - a concept which did not exist in the minds of the people creating the text - and reading the text.

    So unfortunately - someone has been lying to you - "intentionally" if they have any idea what they are talking about.

    I would agree a the Father/Mother/Son might have some effect on the Family - but not the modern Trinity. Hard for the modern trinity to affect someone when they have no idea what it is.
     
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    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    Forget that one is three thingy. It is impossible to prove with empirical evidence and if true would mean God talks to himself. Like the old joke about Geronimo.

    Question: What does Geronimo say when he jumps out of an airplane.
    Answer: Meeeeeee!

    https://www.rd.com/article/geronimo-jump-out-plane-origin/
     
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    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    Then there is this:
    The Savior said, “My Father is greater than I” John 14:28
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Trinity is a man made concept which - even Bible Encyclopedia's state that the Trinity is not found in the NT.

    Jesus always refers to "The Father" as someone other than himself - and he does this numerous times

    1) "Take this cup from my hand" - Jesus does not want to go through with God's plan - the will of Jesus is different than the will of "The Father".

    For this to be a trinity of one .. would be like a serpent with different heads .. the one head not knowing what the other is thinking. One in body but not in mind which - DOES NOT FIT - with modern Trinity Dogma.

    2) My God My God - why have you forsaken me

    Did Jesus forget who he was on the cross and start calling out to himself some kind of masochistic delerium ? Is this what the authors of Matt/Mark are trying to tell us ? Obviously not. The Authors of Matt/Mark depict Jesus as a different person than "The Father" with separate wills - separate thoughts .. they are neither one in mind .. nor one in body in this passage.

    3) Satan is a Son of God we are told in Job - one of many "Sons of God" mentioned numerous times in the OT. Satan is depicted as having a good relationship with his Father - not going outside of the will of the Father. Satan is depicted as having great power - as we would expect from a God.

    Satan knows who "The Father" is - obviously - the Father sending him on missions to test humans .. so he is known as "The Tester" - the "Advocate"

    When Jesus goes through the ritual trial after his Baptism God having said "This is my son" - as if that wasn't our first clue - Jesus stands before Satan. Satan would never ask his Father to bow before him - and the Author of Mark - would never depict such a thing as he would be strung up for heresy - by his own hand - never mind the hands of others..

    The idea that it is God stanging there before Satan is a preposterous falsehood - a falsehood made up by religious zealots trying to make the Bible fit into the false narrative they are touting.
     

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