THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

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  1. Kris P. Bacon

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    Send those Russians and others who won’t do as they’re told some of those ‘freedom missiles.’ Two to be launched three times a day producing democracy and freedom in one week. Guaranteed results as used in Iraq, Libya and Syria.

    But seriously, best just to stick to stupid comments and not to go down the ‘sub humans’ road? That’s already been done and had the poster slipped up and typed Jews in place of Russians, there’d now be an outcry. Some get carried away by zeal, but some things aren't very funny. :no:
     
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    Ukrainian Armed Forces compel Russians to retreat on four fronts General Staff report

    OLHA HLUSHCHENKO — MONDAY, 15 AUGUST, 2022, 07:10

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    On the Sloviansk front, Russian troops fired artillery of various types near Velyka Komyshuvakha, Brazhivka, Zalymana, Virnopillia, Mazanivka and Bohorodychne.

    They conducted assault operations on the Tykhotske – Dolyna axis, had no success, suffered losses, and withdrew.

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    On the Bakhmut front, the Russians stepped up their reconnaissance of the Ukrainian defence front line, firing using artillery and tanks near Toretsk, Bakhmutske, Bilohorivka, Kurdiumivka, Vasylivka, Zaitseve and Zalizne. They carried out airstrikes near the village of Soledar. Russian troops fought offensive battles towards Soledar and Kodema, had no success, and withdrew.

    On the Avdiivka front, attacks were recorded near Sribne, Krasnohorivka, Opytne, Pervomaiske, Novobakhmutivka and Marinka, as well as an airstrike near Krasnohorivka.

    In order to improve their tactical situation, the invaders engaged in an offensive towards Pisky and Pervomaiske, but had no success, and withdrew.

    ... https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-armed-forces-compel-russians-041029000.html

    How's the mopping up coming along, @Destroyer of illusions ? Oh, wait. You don't know because you're staying far, far away from that disaster, aren't you? :)
     
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    Take a wild guess who created, trains and funds & equips these terrorists? I'll help you, the CIA & Deep State. It is their problem reaction solution tool.

    In some parts it was the police, via planted agitators within the peaceful protests. Haven't you heard of the 'Right Sector' group? There were also unknown snipers in government buildings knocking off both sides.

    No, it is not. It is factual and historical events that had taken place. You disbelieve it because you haven't seen it from MSM, it challenges your belief system.
     
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    I'm not anyone's puppet. I think for myself and not let MSM create my opinion. I form it through my own research thank you very much.
     
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    Propaganda occurs from both sides. Yet I see the russian forces moving forwards, not backwards. They’re either taking these towns or they’re not and ‘the Ukrainians shelling a bridge’ or ‘the Ukrainians shelled an arms depot’ is not conformation they’re winning a war.

     
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    The only ones that know the truth are the ones on the ground taking fire, and the ones caught in the middle.
     
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    I just look at the way things are.

    The Russians invaded from the North and South. The Northern army took two days to reach Kiev and surround it. The Ukrainians withdrew many of their forces to defend the capital. The Russians waited outside and did nothing. Meanwhile, the Southern army went into the Donbass almost unopposed because most of the units had been withdrawn to Kiev. The Northern army then moved Southeast into the Crimea and Donbass persued by the Ukrainians who lost every battle it fought on the way and joined up with the Southern army. The believers saw this as a retreat, but it looks like it was planned. Together, the two armies are now slowly pushing forwards, taking every village and town they come to and reducing what’s left of the Ukrainian army even further.

    Perhaps I’m missing something here, but I don’t see a Ukrainian victory.
     
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    You miss a lot. The Northern Army took one hell of a beating around Kiev and had to retreat. What was left was used to fill up BTGs in the East.
    The South has completely stalled at Kherson. With the bridges across the river now unusable for heavy equipment, more than 30,000 Russian Soldiers with all their heavy equipment are on the wrong side of the river, cut of from resupply and getting hammered by Ukraine arty. The German Mop is hard at work.
    And there was this little mishap, a magical storm sank a air force base in the Crimea, like Moskwa.

    Oooooh nearly forgot, them boys with those big hats, called Senior Officers already bailed Kherson, to get to the South Side of the River. The rest will be left behind, for the Ukraine to mop up.

    That Lady with the sickle, she is coming, asking for a dance with Russian soldiers.

    Bizarre ISIS-Style Propaganda Video - Executing Russian Soldier - YouTube
     
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    Oh, in parallel reality of Russian bots not only Ukrainian army is already defeated 4 months, but also Kiev was surrounded
     
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    Nobody loves you.
     
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    Fascist ruZZia won a three-day-blitzkrieg in about 170 days.
    Comrade Pooteen remains a master strategist. :D
     
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    Careful now, you don't want to be Putin a corner...:roflol:
     
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    Was the destruction of the Wagner troops part of the mop-up. How many did Russians lose? 100 men? More?

    A Russian journalist took a picture of them and posted on-line and the street address was in the background. That's how Ukrainians located them.



     
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    Perhaps we just have two different perspectives of reality. There were no battles around Kiev, the Ukrainians were dug in waiting for an attack that never came. The battles that did occur were fought later and the Ukraine army lost all of them.

    You’re a bit behind on this one. Although Ukraine forces may still remain in parts of Kherson, they’ve already lost it.

    Kolykhaiev acknowledged the Ukrainian military was no longer present in Kherson, and another official stated the Russian military was in all parts of the city. According to Kolykhaiev, the battle led to the deaths of around 300 Ukrainian soldiers and civilians and severe destruction of the city's infrastructure.” (Wikipedia).

    That doesn’t sound like the Ukrainians have 30K Russian troops trapped anywhere. It looks like they’re continuing to lose.

    Russian troops in Kherson. And now onto the next town that rumour has it is where the Russians will be halted.

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    Something that is surprising is the amount of bunkers and underground series of tunnels and fortifications in every major town the Russians come across. Unlike the rest of Eastern European countries. In the eight years that NATO armed and trained the Ukrainians and Nazi militias, did they already know what might eventually happen as Ukraine set about ethnically cleansing the Russians, or was it just a lucky guess?
     
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    If Russia has won every battle in your mind…why wasn’t Ukraine overrun in a matter of days? I have never observed a war so lop-sided in favor of an invader yet that invader can’t get its **** done. Or are you just peddling transparent BS?
     
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    A reality created by MSM is fake anyway. Anyone who believes the bullshit that gets churned out of them needs some serious counselling.
     
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    So your argument is that ALL mains stream media is unreliable but your 'special' sources of news/information and only your special sources are? And the evidence supporting this sweeping claim is ...... drum roll please.

    Because those sources confirm your preexisting biases while main stream media by and large doesn't.
     
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    Rightly so. As they are heavily biased and false narrative-focused. When you know who controls them and for what purpose.

    It is a combination of sorts. when there is a narrative covered by the media, if I'm interested I will research it using multiple sources of media.

    I have posted many articles, video media and alike, feel free to peruse through the extensive archives of the wonderful threads focused on Ukraine.

    For you Monash, a special treat...

    Here is where mainstream media gets the motivation for its "bullshit". Something I prepared earlier.

    They say they cancelled this program decades ago, but would the CIA tell the truth about that? Of course not.
    It is still practised today.

    Operation Mockingbird and the CIA’s History of Media Manipulation
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
     
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    @Monash
    If MSM told an unbiased truth, it'd be an entirely different story, literally and figuratively speaking.
    when I research, as I stated before, I use multiple sources. If they convey the same narrative
    and conflicts with MSM's narrative, then the alternate view is considered more reliable and truthful
    because they are only concerned with exposing and telling the truth and not with selling papers,
    subscriptions and narratives that are scripted for an agenda to misinform and disinform.
     
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    C'mon Pitty, that's BBC bullshit propaganda. Nice try though. I'm happy it raised your spirits. Good to see you're catching on and identifying the bullshit. :):applause:
     
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    You don't have to trust BBC. Just listen to people who live there.

     
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    That are all men, between 18-45 yo? They are soldiers playing civilians. Also, the narrator is speculating on future events. The other thing, why would Russian forces need mercs? Who has been flooding this warzone? Mercs from all over fighting for Ukraine. It appears much of the information is chopped and changed to suit the narrative.
     
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    My background is analysis and investigation. That said both experience and training tell me that ALL media outlets are intent upon influencing their readership/viewers. That is the nature of their business i.e. to attract more readers/viewers etc they have to produce output their own research tells them are likely to increase subscriber numbers. Or if you prefer tell your readers what they want to hear and know your segment of the market. In this Citizens Truth is no different to any other outlet, no worse on average than most but certainly no different. The key however is the extent to which an organization is prepared to manipulate/ignore overt facts to suit their own agendas. In this some are far, far worse than others. And as a rule the further to the left or right an organization is the more likely they are to bend the truth to suit their aims. That and the extent to which the governments over sighting them are corrupt/despotic.

    As for Operation Mockingbird? That was then, this is now. Mockingbird is a lesson in history like Mcarthyism. You learn from it, not assume its an ongoing clear and present danger.

    Key takeaway? Use multiple sources of information and error check your own biases when making determinations as to who is and is not telling the truth.
     
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