The very uncomfortable question

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  1. DarkSkies

    DarkSkies Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure it would even be higher. They're two different types of people so the crime rates would be different. If I had to guess, I would use history as a guide and say black crime would be lower than whites, all things being equal.
     
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    interesting.

    why do you think whites would commit more crimes than blacks, all things being equal?
     
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    The reason any why studies cannot accurately prove anything as far as Race and as it relates to crime and violence, is the same logic FBI uses in it's caution against ranking in relation to crime statistics.
    It is applicable in this scenario as well.

    You can point at pure statistics and numbers of Prisoners and People convicted of Crime and incarcerated, as far as percentages, so many Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Caucasians, and still not be able to conceptualize the disparity in those numbers.

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    The factor of Genetics as causal relationship as far as this relates to Race and Crime, cannot be considered as anything but mere speculation and theory and not promulgated by any serious Scientists other than those that use Race as part of an Agenda of Racism.
    There is no proof that Black people are any more violent or criminal than White people using blind statistics as proof of causation.
     

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