The War on Men and Boys: your evidence is requested

The film you posted suggested nothing of the sort. All you are doing is repeating your victim fantasy. Hell, your own video talked about a better version of masculinity than what was shown in the example clips . . . the entire point of the video was to push toward that better version. If the message were "men can be condemned universally," then there would BE no better version of masculinity. All masculinity would be bad.

 

LOL.. of course they are. You're just choosing not to listen. Men, bad. Just like white people these days. it's a thing. We will get past it, but not until folks, even you, can understand the insanity of it.

 

The difference, as I've proven by covering your first video, is that I've chosen to listen and you've chosen to deafen yourself and make something up instead. Hell, looks like you are doing the same thing to @ECA

You are either unwilling or unable to tell the difference between "that version of masculinity is bad" and "all men are bad." Due to the simplicity of the concept, I can only assume that your misreading is deliberate.

 

Did it? Perhaps from you lens on your fantastic Nile trip. Pushing men? Here's a thought bubble for you. If women demand that men protect them, how are they supposed to develop tools with which to protect them with? Where does that inherent ingredient come from? If, as the video suggested getting competitive, or being combative, cannot be developed, who protects women, and from what skillset? So, if men being non combative, non competitive, and frankly unassertive was the goal, how could women ever get protection? Their men certainly couldn't provide it. So then what?

 

Yes. Please watch it.

You are the one making things up. I've stuck with what the video literally says. The fact that you are incapable of addressing this point and keep copy/pasting the same tired line about the Nile should tell you something about the weakness of your case.

Are you aware of the fact that you can be competitive at times and not competitive in others? Almost as if there were appropriate and inappropriate ways to be competitive? Are you aware that the same thing goes for physical confrontations?

Try watching the video again. Are you really going to sit here and tell me that all of the examples they show are of men behaving well? The answer is obviously no. Can you be competitive, etc. and not do the things in the video? The answer is obviously yes.

 

It is getting better and we are seeing what the other side thinks. Still, keep in mind: were I giving counsel, I would likely tell a husband not to fight if the mom wants sole custody: she is likely to get it and he will pay me a ton of $ for nothing. So, the settlement number has confounding factors.
https://www.flare.com/celebrity/adele-divorce-money-settlement/

Is it men that need to be taught to ask for help, or women taught to stop shaming men for seeking it? And men need to know, the world does not respond to male needs as it does to women. A man may need to be strong enough to ignore his own pain and soldier on in order to survive because no one, metaphorically speaking, is coming to help. Just rub some dirt on it and walk it off.
EDIT: From the very thread: "My advice is to stop whining and complaining that the world is against you and look after your own interests. This advice is appropriate for everyone."

 

Laughable. I can, and have produced, the narrative that describes how masculinity is viewed by those who preach toxicity as being inherently toxic. You won't see it, and you then logic leap to a position that you believe is inviolable because you assume that "all" is your out here. But, you cannot successfully transfer your lens to those who don't share it, and frankly, the folks who are pushing the narrative don't share it with you either.

And worst, the motivation for you seems that you simply don't want to be painted with the same brush. That seems unlikely, and there isn't any justification for your not being included given your self declaration of your own position of masculine nobility. The ability to suggest "not it" seems undermined by the idea that the very principles that you've said apply to you are the very ones that folks pushing toxicity would use to describe toxicity. You cannot admit that. Why? does virtue signaling on your part that you're "willing" to engage the conversation overcome your self declaration that you're by their definition, toxic, but you're simply not going to admit it? That seems both unsuccessful and selfish. No?

so what is your point here? If, as noted before women demand that they get protection but don't want men capable of it because of said toxicity, where does that leave you? You're an alpha guy, but because you are, you're toxic, and require reeducation because those who preach toxicity will require it of you. Of that, there is no doubt.

 

What public tv network shows 3 min commercials? I watch enough tv that at some point I should have seen this 3 minute commercial and yet I was unaware of this video until today.

 

Your own article refutes what you said.

While the actual facts of her divorce are to remain private (as they should), rumours started swirling almost immediately that the singer has been ordered to pay her ex $140 million of her reported $190 million net-worth .

Here's another: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...-divorced-owes-ex-husband-tons-023008029.html

The couple had no prenup, however, when they got married in 2003. So, per California state law, the celebrity chef must split the profits 50/50 with Thompson from every cookbook she published during their marriage, as well as half of any unpaid advances from cookbooks she's working on now. People reports those profits alone are worth about $5 million.


In addition, he gets to keep their $3.2 million home in Pacific Palisades, and De Laurentiis must pay him $9,000 a month in child support.

The couple will share custody of their 7-year-old daughter, Jade.

 

Oooh... the equivocation roller coaster option. Sweet. Again, that Nile trip is starting to look super fun to be on. The two faces of eve conditions.. Be competitive, but not overly competitive.. Be able to protect, but don't practice being combative, Don't cry cause women don't like that either. Don't show feelings, because it undermines our ability to protect. All those ingredients were front and center in said video. And yes, the narrative has several internal conflicts, which is why I also put the second video out there which demonstrates just how undefined, or otherwise how arbitrary this toxicity conversation is, especially for those who claim to "study" it.

The issue you keep dancing around here is this idea that somehow, just your version seems appropriate here. That seems pretty narrow. It seems directive. and isn't that just the basics for creating toxicity itself? How novel.

 

The article was meant to show you I support some of what you are writing. As I wrote, things are changing. But I also think this will initially be difficult for women. The article voices outrage stating, "this is not what we meant by equality".

 

So what? Why do you care about others' opinions on toxicity? How are their opinions TRULY impacting YOUR life? I'm guessing not one bit. I'm gonna guess you continue to go about your daily life not being impacted one bit by these opinions others hold. Just live your life how you see fit and stop whining like a little b****.

 

There are tons of Hate Speech against all men in MSM and especially on Twitter. Including threads celebrating deaths of men from CoronaVirus and getting 450,000 likes. If anything is Toxic Masculinity, then being Stoic in the face of abuse is it.

We need a Mandemic

Why Cant We Hate Men -- Washington Post, respectable media.

 

What was there to comment on? You're safe haven of "but nu uh.."? Could you even bear it to learn that lots of wrestling coaches, football coaches, etc not to mention the number of athletes themselves that participate in those sports were gay? (or bi, or fluid, or whatever these days)? And the fact that they are, or were, seems to have never occurred to you because it allows you to cite them as the bona fides of your own masculinity underpinnings? That seems unwise. I can tell you that I have first hand knowledge of this, I doubt that you'll consider it, given your posting so far.

So, when I say most of the ones I know, it should indicate to you that I have personal experience here, and whatever you need to get you through the day doesn't impinge on that.

 

Sad but true. I am grateful to women who defend men's humanity.

 

Hmm.... the pejorative approach... Dare we say that your little pronouncement here is your own demonstration of your own toxicity? Did it make you feel better? Gosh, I certainly hope so. I am sure that I can endure your moniker. I'm sure that others are likely offended by your description even. Does it make you feel better to be a bully while being homophobic? All at the same time? Cause that's what your post seems to be saying here.

 

Twitter? I don't put much stock into what is said by anonymous people on social media sites. I also don't put much stock in opinion article on news sites. It's all opinions. If some people want to hate men, why in hell would I ever give two craps about that? Go ahead...hate men. I will still continue to live my life the way I want. The day I get worked up over some anonymous persons opinion of social media is the day I eat a bullet.

 

Indeed. Sadly, if 450,000 people like a post celebrating demise of men due to COVID19, then we can see how our Society views men. A continuum of messages with "kill all men" is another indicator.

 

You know exactly what I was waiting on. You do to, but you're choosing to dodge the question.
I'll post it for a third time...
I have never espoused anything relating to men being toxic. In fact, I challenge you to find even one post of mine where I state male behavior is toxic. I’ll be waiting. Heh heh heh.

And I never claimed there aren't athletes who are gay. No need for you to be disingenuous yet again. I claimed that you don't know all sorts of wrestling coaches.

 

Still being disingenuous I see. You really are getting very emotional over this. How specifically am I being homophobic?

 

An entire 450K? I mean...if you want to get worked up over 450K people out of 300M plus people then by all means do so.

 

Your own post just provided the example. You just referred to me as a "whining little bitch. No? And that isn't the behavior we're addressing here? Did you not state that wrestling coaches were the epitome of maleness, straight maleness at that? No? Those posts are still there, btw. What you did claim was the you were an example. So your claim of that now should not be used as a gauge? That seems pejorative at best.

So, you claimed something that you cannot know to be fact here. I do know. LOTS of coaches over the years, From the days I was in middle and high school, until now. And while I cannot claim I know them all, I know a lot of them. (a lot, meaning more than 100) And that is just me, and just wrestling coaches. So... should I thank you for that most excellent example of "man spraining" to me?

 

Oh, I see. I misunderstood.

Women who want equality, except when they don't, can go scratch.

That said, there are some areas where equality is impossible.

Men can't have babies and women will likely never be able to compete against men in some sports, but I think we should try to get as close as possible.

 

Dang, will the bullying never end? Doesn't a demonstration of masculine toxicity also involve cudgeling others with inviting descriptions like "being emotional" to overwhelm the other poster? Like that? It doesn't matter to me if you don't understand. Others here will.

 

I said the kids I have coached are not beta type personalities. Why does that bother you?
You ARE acting like a whiny b. Sorry that bothers you.
You claimed that I espouse the dogma that men are toxic. I have asked you to show me even one post where I have stated such. You've failed to do so.