There is no plan B. Blah blah blah Thunberg talks

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    If by 'open minded' you mean desperate to grasp excuses to keep travelling and polluting, then you're right. I am incapable.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hopefully we never see a President hiring their children again, Trump knew he was not up to the job is why he hired his children to help him
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    everything plays a part, if the economy crashes, we have no control over that

    if crime goes up cause corps outsourcing jobs and there is not enough to go around, we have no control over that

    as long as the game is still being played by the rules, we can control it, once the rules are bought and paid for by the mega corps, all bets are off
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    1) No apology needed .. we're all friends here :)

    2) There's your problem. We're doomed, as long as we keep up the spastic movement.

    3) Families are spread far and wide by choice. None of it is necessary. And exposure to other cultures isn't required for a good and productive life.

    4) Americans have been travelling prolifically for almost a hundred years, and it's made barely any difference in that respect. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    1) The economy is a reflection of our human habits. And we have total control over our habits.

    2) Crime is a personal choice. Adapting to a changing job market is a personal choice.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    agree, I am talking about just one person, you or I, we are effected by what the whole does

    I am sure many in Afghanistan did not want was to come... but they too are affected by the whole

    I see the jobs going overseas, I see AI taking hold, it's only a matter of time before our economy collapses - we grew up at the right time, I fear for the next generation, tough times are ahead
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    1) And until more INDIVIDUALS make better choices, that whole will remain an obstacle we have to work around - rather than with. But even still, those better choices you and I make will contribute to the solution, instead of adding to the problem.

    2) A rather extreme example, but point taken. We're lucky we're in Western Democracies, where we have the freedom to work around the whole.
     
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    I clearly pointed out that we do NOT "have full control (and knowledge) over our own choices."

    Those living in Flint are just one example of NOT having the knowledge and NOT having "full control" as there was no information suggesting that the water supply was permanently damaging the brains of their children.

    Your river example is just plain BS, too. You do NOT know which companies are creating necessities in a safe manner and which are destroying our rivers.

    So, again you have NO way of differentiating when you buy necessities.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Family has been hired by past presidents and the Democrats' were overjoyed.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Flint is a good example of what happens when democrats run things.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is why I spend time complaining about Joe XI Biden.
     
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    it was the republicans that made that choice for them, nice try though
     
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    1) Of course we do. We know that booking a plane ticket is a choice that won't serve the planet. We know that leaving the heating on overnight is contributing to climate change, etc etc, yet we still CHOOSE to do those things. I sure hope you're not suggesting that the very people who claim to be all about the environment don't know those things contribute to climate change. Or are you? :eek:

    2) How did the water become polluted? Was it by nature, or was it by our daily choices to endlessly consume?

    3) If those companies aren't making their dross (the dross we insist they keep making, every time we buy it), they wouldn't be polluting rivers.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When I researched Flints problems that is not what was reported.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The root of the problem was using lead pipes. I believe that was not fixed due to Democrats' over the water system.
     
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    Your 1 is wrong because it does not even SLIGHTLY address the argument I pointed out.

    It does NOT matter how the water got polluted. The point is the people there had no control.

    Your 3 is a ludicrous claim that rivers were being polluted only by those companies making crap.

    There were all kinds of companies polluting rivers. One big polluter is the agricultural industry of America. You were (and are) contributing to that if you buy FOOD.

    Are you buying FOOD?? (And, I do NOT mean junk food, I mean honest to goodness groceries.)
     
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    You need to look back so you can develop a CLUE concerning what the issue is here.
     
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    yep, many still don't understand what happened, this may help

    the city had no say in this, the State decided for them

    "Former Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder Charged In Flint Water Crisis"

    https://www.npr.org/2021/01/13/9565...sis-including-former-michigan-gov-rick-snyder

    "Former Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder was charged Wednesday for his role in the Flint water crisis, an environmental disaster that contaminated the majority Black city's drinking water with lead nearly seven years ago."

    "Snyder, a Republican, was Michigan's top executive when state-appointed officials decided to switch the city's drinking water source from Detroit's water system to the Flint River in 2014."
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A new video of an earlier Greta Thunberg ripping the asses off of Democrats.
    Why Democrats?

    She accuses then them and now for blah blah blah
    Biden is blowing your money to France?

    IT is more blah blah blah.

    What amazes me is that Democrats send out children to alarm the world. Fascinating. She kicks the Democrat's asses like an expert.

     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But you have no idea? And you want me to look back?

    I said the issue is lead pipes. Correct me then.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Snyder did not order anything. Democrats switched due to the lead pipes. And really manages to mess things up.

    NPR is a house organ of the DNC. They always shift blame from Democrats to republicans. I will check to see what happened to Rick Snyder
     
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    Yes. That is NOT THE ISSUE.

    You need to read before you decide to comment. To start with you should have been following what crak has claimed.

    The issue is that those in Flint did not have the knowledge necessary to make decisions. Plus, even if they DID have that knowledge, the influence of capitalist purchasing power could not have been sufficient.

    The same is true for river pollution. When you go to buy a necessity, you don't know if the supply chain and final vendors supplying your product choices are polluting our rivers or not. One simply doesn't have the knowledge required to differentiate offerings based on corporate behavior. (Of course, sometimes one does find out about major polluters, but in general one doesn't have this information.) So, once again, capitalist purchasing power is NOT sufficient as a control.
     
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    from fox

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-governor-defends-cabinet-members-charged-in-flint

    "The Republican governor has apologized for the state's role in the disaster and has said the "buck stops here with me."

    Three years ago, Flint's fateful switch from the Detroit water system to a river to save money while under state management resulted in the water being improperly treated, enabling toxic lead that leached from aging service lines and household fixtures to poison children. Some experts have linked the poorly treated water to Legionnaires' disease, a type of pneumonia. People can get sick if they inhale mist or vapor, typically from cooling systems."
     
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    Again, that is absolutely irrelevant to the issue of whether consumers have the information that gives them control through capitalist decision making over issues such as this.

    Flint citizens did not have the information and they didn't have a legitimate choice of product.

    They had no choice but to depend on government watch dog activites.

    And, let me just point out that Republicans ABOSLUTELY HATE government watch dog activities in ALL sectors - and thus fight tooth and nail to defund and cripple them.

    Republicans DEMAND that consumers be left ignorant of issues such as who pollutes, what products contain, etc.
     
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    OK, it seems to bolden Democrats to fling poo.

    This is the results of a search of the charges made in Michigan over the water problem.
    Notice that the Governor is not included in the water issues.

    • Howard Croft – Former Director of the City of Flint Department of Public Works
      • Two counts of willful neglect of duty – each a one-year misdemeanor and/or $1,000 fine
    • Darnell Earley – Former City of Flint Emergency Manager
      • Three counts of misconduct in office – each a five-year felony and/or $10,000 fine
    • Nicolas Lyon – Former Director, Michigan Department of Health and Human Services
      • Nine counts of involuntary manslaughter – each a 15-year felony and/or $7,500 fine
      • One count of willful neglect of duty – a one-year misdemeanor and/or $1,000 fine
    • Nancy Peeler – Current Early Childhood Health Section Manager, Michigan Department of Health and Human Services
      • Two counts of misconduct in office – each a five-year felony and/or $10,000 fine
      • One count of willful neglect of duty – a one-year misdemeanor and/or $1,000 fine
    • Oh Snyder? ha ha
      • Richard Snyder – Former Governor of Michigan
        • Two counts of willful neglect of duty – each a one-year misdemeanor and/or $1,000 fine
      • If found guilty of the crap show put on by Democrats, a tiny fine ... is about all.
     

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