THere is something WRONG with the empathy, or lack, of right wingers.

Where the hell do you think jobs come from? Government's magic wand? They come from BUSINESS engaged in making a PROFIT without being TAXED so heavily that they can't stay in business. How do businesses set wage rates? By how much it takes to make a living? NO. They set wages based on how much they can afford vs. how much it costs to get the least expensive employee who will do an adequate job. If the cost of the employee is more than they can afford, they won't hire anyone. If the least expensive employee is a Mexican illegal who will work for half what an American will, they'll hire the Mexican. If you want businesses to hire people for jobs with good wages, I suggest you start sending the Mexicans back where they came from and start cutting business taxes so businesses can hire more people.

Try Mexico. Oh, wait, they won't pay for your health care.

Another Wow! And I thought I'd had a tough life!

And only 2% black! It's so much easier to be tolerant and loving of black folk when you don't have to live with them. I noticed all the white people saying they were leaving the county (and didn't go) if Donald Trump was elected all talked about moving to Canada. Only George Lopez talked about moving to Mexico. Racists.

Do you even remember the Carter years? Cutting high taxes and reining in inflation were what created the Reagan boom years.

****, the Demos would let in every person on earth.

And every rich person in every country in the world comes HERE to get their health care instead of getting it at home. The sickest kids anywhere in the world get sent HERE to be taken care of instead of where health care is free. I wonder why that is. Why is health care in the only free market country in the world the BEST health care in the world?

How can anybody who is serious say the idiot who shot up a black church represents everyone who flies a Confederate flag? Oh, wait, YOU DO. And I don't see anyone saying the idiot who shot up a baseball game represents the left, what I do see is people saying the outrageous things being said by people on the left prompted this guy to shed blood. When Hollywood celebrities call for the President's assassination and pose with a bloody model of the President's head, it's not surprising some people would take that as "authorization" to go out and try to kill people. So yes, that idiot is ON YOU.

Bullshit. We actually know very well how others are different from us and that's why we oppose bringing more of them into this country. We LIKE this country, or at least how it used to be, and we don't want it turned into another Mexico, India, or Saudi Arabia. That you DO want to turn it into another Mexico, India, or Saudi Arabia says something dark and disturbing about you.

Elizabeth Warren Said She Wants To Cut Open Republicans' Bodies To See If They Have Hearts https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrulla/elizabeth-warren-republican-hearts

Right, because actually following the law is tyrannical, but allowing the Supreme Court to overrule the law of the land is not. Since when has the decision of five people in black robes who all graduated from law school been "the will of the people"?

You are the only liberal I've heard say a negative word about illegals. I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with you on anything.

Says a lot about you, none of it good.

I guess you didn't watch the video that showed the Antifa crowd getting their asses kicked even though they were armed with bricks and glass bottles and M-80s while the Trump crowd showed up unarmed in accordance with police request. As for Antifa being anti-fascist, that's a laugh because only fascists want to silence their opponents and stop them from speaking or demonstrating, and that's what your Antifa is doing. Only fascists resort to violence to accomplish political ends, and that's what Antifa is doing.

Bullshit. Liberalism is an unnatural outgrowth of wanting the government to take care of you. As for why immigrants vote Democrat, most immigrants are not well educated nor employed scientists. They are overwhelmingly below average in income and IQ and more than half are getting some kind of government assistance. If you add in the cost of educating their children, usually many more than the native population, probably 2/3rds or more of all immigrants are costing the US money, not contributing. So of course they are going to vote Democrat. Can't have that money spigot from the white people getting shut off.

Not sure where you're getting your statistics from. This is a 2013 map and chart, and of the top 10 growth states, only two, West Virginia and Colorado, were noticeably Democratic. The rest were all hard right Republican, including North Dakota and Texas. Of the bottom 10, it was more equally divided, with hard left Illinois and New York in the bottom 10 and extremely liberal Maryland only being beaten out by conservative Alaska. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_economic_growth_rate

NO IT WON'T. Hysteria is not a valid argument. Telling people that Republicans are going to kill people encourages other Democrats to kill Republicans. And that IS a Democratic Party policy, to tell people Republicans are trying to kill people. YOU now have blood on your hands.

Says the guy who claims Republican policies are going to KILL PEOPLE. ****ing ass.

You prove your ignorance again and again and again in this thread. Conservatives understand liberals perfectly while liberals fundamentally misunderstand conservatives, and this is a proven fact. https://theindependentwhig.com/haid...etter-than-liberals-understand-conservatives/

LOL. Democrats have been running Detroit into the ground for DECADES, so who is creating a problem and blaming someone else here? Tax breaks for the rich would encourage them to keep jobs here, by the way. They move jobs overseas because taxes and wages are lower there.

Why are we not surprised?

 

You have convinced me, SCREW THE POOR AND ILL. ALL ill fortune is DESERVED. ANY help will RUIN their MOJO. WE need a few dead examples, to MOTIVATE the lazy. YADDA YADDA YADDA.

By the way, PROVE JEsus DIDNT believe in a social safety net? I DARE YA.

AND NOOOO< the poor will always be with us is NOT proof, it is a TRUISM. Meant to confound haters, those lacking any compassion or conscience.

ALL societies, be they simian or human would NOT have descended from the trees, were it not for sharing, and cooperation. COMPETITION, hording was BETWEEN warring, distrustful TRIBES, which is the mentality of right wingers. They consider US, the next WARRING tribe.

The difference between LIBERALS, and right wingers, is roughly comparable to BONOBOs, and CHIMPANZEES. I have spent YEARS studying the Bonobo tribe, and was EVEN a member, honorary king. BUT, if you know anything about Bonobos, the queen MADE me thus, and ordered me around.

Which is what you guys REALLY fear. IF we are peacable, and cooperative, them womenfolk will have us doing their bidding.

Witness all the misogyny of the right wing.

 

I guess you missed the line, "look at me, I'm self employed".

One of my economic laws is that, in the corporate world, pay is inversely proportional to actual work done. No one ever got rich putting their nose to the grinding stone.

 

Blah, blah, blah.

A central meme that has been indoctrinated into conservatives is the silly notion that tax breaks for the rich creates more jobs. Can there be anything more ignorant. The past 35 years have shown that tax cuts on the wealthy have only resulted in lost jobs, wage stagnation, and ever increasing income inequality.

 

Greed will always want to get richer and want the poor in debt, sardine canned into their place, instead of a tiny house in the better hood… Jesus didn't give up so easily, ye of little faith.

 

Very astute. The rich of ALL ages, were relative. Those with a fancy pot to piss in, FELT rich. IN COMPARISON TO others. The in group, is DEFINED by the OUTGROUP. Those in the ingroup, castigate the outgroup, to BETTER salve their egos.

Without an ENEMY, cohesiveness of the ingroup disintegrates, and they will lose focus, and start to castigate factions of their ingroup. Humans are such ANIMALS.

 

you just said you work at nothing, And are you saying hard work is pointless if you can't become a millionare?

 

I was just pointing out that one doesn't need to be in the workforce to make money. Republican propaganda likes to point out the numbers of people not in the workforce. Many of us have business interests but don't necessarily work, in the normal sense, on a day to day basis. Like I told my children, when they were considering their careers; royalties, the paycheck that keeps on giving.

 

Good post, but this refers to the present Republican Party only. I am a Republican and am repulsed by the current antics of today's
Republican Party. I agree with you totally. This is not the Republican Party that
I support.

 

If nobody worked people wouldn't be able to live off of welfare.

 

I have so much empathy that I do not want the law used to force you into paying for things you do not wish to pay for. That is the best form of empathy.

 

EVEN if you are awesome, YOU, as a charitable person, MUST know that folks are laxy, apathetic, busy, harried, consumed, addicted, distracted, compartmentalized, and some folks don't PRESENT as needing, or are obnoxious or any of a million reasons why YOUR druthers of allowing YOU to determine who needs help CANNOT apportion help adequately, or timely enough, or allow for SEASONS of giving. OR allow folks not to have to BEG the awesome people like DOGS. thereby giving folks a reason to harden their hearts.

Your, and others boasts of RIGHT WING charitable hearts, don't wash. At least not fully. OR, there wouldn't be whole countries starving. They aren't the ones stealing crumbs from your pocket, but if what you said was true, they would be getting fed as they didn't cost you anything in taxes.

 

Like a battleship?

 

We may all be Kingdom Animalia, but too many people gave and still give their lives to save others without any expected satisfaction of ego, and many people accept or live with their poverty (whether it is their fault or not) unwilling to force others to give, for there to be clearly defined groups. You may have been hanging around with too many lesser chimpanzees.

 

That reminds me of a story. My father ordered the spraying of DDT to kill the flies and the villagers worshiped him as a destroyer god. Have picture of a temple (covered in human skulls) that anyone else at the time would have been killed for approaching, which is interesting, because I also have picture of starving woman and baby and in frame are monkeys and a cow, sacred animals, those with a perfect ahimsa would rather starve than eat.

It also reminds me of the documentary “Haiti: Water of Sorrow,” where they interviewed a woman who had about 15 kids and was pregnant.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4120706/

Dictators steal crumbs from the pockets of the poor, run out of villages to burn, and then complain about the Western democracies not doing enough for the poor.

 

Strawman argument. You took what I actually said, twisted it beyond recognition, and then mocked the twisted statement as being nonsensical. It's a cheap debating tactic.

I'm surprised you don't know the context of the quote. Mary Magdalene came in and anointed Jesus's head with "fragrant oil". One of the apostles (I forget which one) upbraided her for her waste, telling her she should have sold the oil and given the money to the poor. Jesus chastised the apostle, saying, "The poor you have with you always, while the Son of Man is here but a short time. She has done a good work." (Or something along those lines.) Clearly he is NOT stating a truism.

You should study chimps more closely. There is a lot more intra-tribal fighting, cheating, and competition going on than was first supposed. As for humans, all progress comes from competition and laziness. A lot of technology originated in war.

I don't doubt it any. But we're descended from chimpanzees, not bonobos. Note, too, that the chimpanzee society is much more successful than the bonobo society. There are between 175-300,000 chimpanzees to just 10-50,000 bonobos in the wild.

I almost believe this story.

 

I'm right wing.
I don't usually support organised charities at all, and when I do military services are my preference.

This does not mean I have no empathy for others, only that I address my charity directly and in person. That I do not believe that in simply by being forced to pay some taxes, I am being empathic in any way.

I have no respect for snivellers.
I live with a disabled guy. The one thing I respect him for most, is that he simply won't admit his disability.
I empathise with his human spirit in this.

And if like many people you struggle. His attitude is the attitude you need to cope and get on in life as best you can.
Being a sniveller? I have no empathy to share with you. Only sympathy.

I'm sorry that you feel a victim in this life, but I am never going to empathise with you on that one.
When I was blind I knew that I was a burden on all those I loved most.
Had I have remained blind, I expect I would have killed myself in preference to this.
I have no empathy for your snivelling. Die trying.

That is what it is to be right wing.

 

You don't think the left wingers do the exact same things. "The Republican Party and al the radio stations and web sites that conservatives get their information from are controlled by right-wingers." You know full well the left wingers have the same radio stations and web sites. You guys had 8 years of trying it your way now it is time for us to try it our way.

 

Universal health care would actually be cheaper, it's the same premise as insurance, except if everyone is in the pool, the profits no longer go to insurance execs, ect.. they go to lower cost for working class Americans

 

That's why it will never pass. Too many people will lose too much money.

 

I do not want to pay for the Iraq war..... do not want to pay for Trump's vacations, do not want to pay for Trump's business or his tax cuts.... so what say you

 

It is remotely possible that you indeed pay for those things. But as I said, I support your right to keep your earnings and pay to a different tax system that is not yet in force. One that dismisses class warfare and acts civil toward the population. I salute you if that is your meaning.

 

Here is your problem in a nutshell. You would hate the lines. You would hate being told you could come in in a month. Your protests would fall on deaf ears. Government does not need to worry about your vote. Bureaucrats are not elected nor do they mind your long waits. Then if they decide what you need, you have no choice.

 

Why not? I have not advocating the use of force by 3rd parties to take what belongs to you for them to convert it to their own use. I quit being a Democrat and largely for that reason.