There's a reason it's called the Russia investigation.

This is a horribly bad and flawed argument. No one in their right mind would want Mueller coming after them. Mueller has a proven track record of going after innocents and ruining their lives. "Full Stop".

 

When Mueller releases, the report it does not matter if the Trump right believe it or not.

 

As you will recall, Dems were rightly upset over learning the FBI made the public not knowing they had opened an investigation in to the Trump campaign's contacts with Russia a priority. This while Comey repeatedly broke with DOJ protocols in commenting publicly on the investigation in to Hillary's server.

 

There's a reason it's called the Russia investigation.
Because it would be too complicated to call it the here's-an-idea-to-nail-Trump investigation?

 

As we all know, the FBI would have been derelict in its duty to the nation had it not investigated all those contacts between Russia and the campaign.

FBI Kept 2016 Investigation into Trump Campaign Secret: NYT

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fbi-kept-2016-investigation-trump-044451782.html

 

Why?

Cohen isn't about to testify to the Mueller probe. He already has, and almost certainly will do so again.

Trump is much more obsessed with how he plays on television than what goes on in court.

Few of us have any doubt that Trump had done everything he can to try and intimidate Cohen. Its not like he's hiding it.

And since witness intimidation is obstruction of justice, I'm sure Mueller is fully aware of it.

Cohen will testify before Congress.

And there will be no wall.

 

Because, it's a federal crime? Despite what you may believe, I don't want a criminal in the WH. I just didn't want Trump impeached on a flimsy basis, and thus the presidency is insulted even more than it is. But if Trump really did intimidate Cohen, it's a red line. It's a criminal act. It's no different from what Manafort tried to do in his money laundering case(well, in that case Manafort tried to cohere favorable testimony rather than silence someone, but same premise.)

If Trump were a normal citizen, Mueller would have an arrest warrant for him right now.

And I think it's time for Congress to make that happen. That way there's no SCOTUS fight, there's no nothing. Trump's impeached, and we start to heal.

 

That is becoming more and more obvious every day.

As Trump's poll numbers plummet as he bets all on his ego over his sacred cow of a wall, and as the talk radio right is in full retreat behind its comfort wall of alternative reality served up by talk radio hosts, yellow journalism trash blogs and a television network that is little more than a propoganda arm for the White House, the rest of the country is tired of it.

The reactionary far right wing knows it too. Which is why they are getting steadily more shrill and nonsensical.

 

Kept it so secret, it leaked a few weeks before the election.(Thanks to Steele.). At best, I think the FBI has learned now to better vet its sources.(Note: While they state that it's Papadoulous's contacts that opened up the investigation, they most certainly did use the dossier in aspects of their investigation, without verifying it.)

Our law enforcement agencies are some of the best in the world, I think they've learned that self-reliance, rather than foreign help is better for an investigation. If anything, Steele's participation ended up significantly backtracking the investigation.

 

The point being they made every effort to keep it a secret. How would the electorate had reacted to Don being treated as Hillary was with Comey announcing to the country the FBI was investigating Don's campaign?

 

Contary to your false assertion, the "dossier" was not revealed in public until after the election.

Which undermines your entire narrative.

If you're going to continue peddling the Trumster lie, as you have consistantly for the last two year, at least try and get your basic facts straight. Trumpsters seem to have a lot of trouble with this.

 

Hindsight regarding the investigation admittedly is a no-win. But I think it would've been for the better. Of all the possibilities, one of the strongest is that Trump probably folds his campaign. Or maybe he takes a bigger risk that gets him caught. Or maybe the Russians are made aware that much sooner that we're onto them and the consequences for them would be dire.

And if they can prove it before election day, Trump's probably not allowed to be POTUS.

I wish they either went big, or not at all. They tried to tell Steele not to contact the media, but I think it'd have been better not to use him at all.

 

We know it to be the case from the Isikoff article, as well as the Mother Jones article. Both before the election.

Edit: And what confirmed that? The FBI's own filing for the dossier cited the very same article.

 

AN is wrong. The leak did not happen until January 2019.

But insinuating otherwise is critical to peddling the false claim that this was an attempt to undermine the election.

 

Trump has been caught already, politically.

He, and his administration have been thoroughly compromised, and were compromised from the very beginning. It is now very clear that the real reason Trump made a big deal out of hiding his tax returns was that they would reveal the complex web of partnerships behind which a global Russian money laundering operation were hiding.

It really is only a matter of deciding what to do about it.

 

It should not be lost on Trumpers that despite Don's hollow complaints about FBI bias the agency saved his candidacy by not publicly revealing his campaign was under investigation. A fact either ignored by Don's supporters or one they are ignorant of after listening to Don make repeated false accusations about the FBI and DOJ.

 

You do have to consider the facts taht Trumpsters shut they eyes and ears to news about Trump's perfidity and corruption. And have don so since the esculator ride.

They also make no attempt to keep up with the facts in the case, and constantly make false claim and errors regarding the timeline and the available evidence. You see that here on this thread.

 

You've identified the most frustrating aspect of dealing with Trumpers. Namely, their use of factual inaccuracies followed by their refusal to acknowledge the facts once they are presented to them.

 

Maybe you can share the Isakoff article you're talking about it since I can't find it.

As for the Mother Jones article, it was less than a week before the election.

And, as to your claim about the FBI's filing. FISA court proceedings were not public record, which undermines your claim.

You keep defending Trump with these claims. You have no case, and your basic facts aren't even right.

 

Are you attempting to insinuate that we had no idea of an investigation until the NYT article? Because there's literally MONTHS of archieved PF posts to strongly disagree.

Here's a simple point of fact: HRC brought up that the intelligence agencies stated unanimously that the Russians were responsible for the DNC hacks. She did that in the second and third debates.

We were very well aware(even if not aware of the details) of ongoing developments.

 

They weren't made public record until Rosenstein released them. But the fact is, they used the information(even in limited use) and that we knew about it prior to the election.

Whether it was a week before the election, or a few days before the election. It's the 'before the election' part that's crucial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Isikoff

In Isikoff's case, it was over a month before the November elections.

We knew. We didn't know much, or how substantial. But we knew. We *talked about it*. Don't try to pretend something didn't happen, that did. That makes you Donald Trump.

 

Mueller keeps discovering and getting indictments and convictions!

 

That won't happen until, or unless Mitch McConnell finally decides he's had enough of the cowardly, idiotic and fantastically disloyal bufoon.

 

I've had enough of him myself. I've been called a Trumpster and a few other thousand things. And yes, it was in the hopes that our politics would return to normal. Clearly, our politics has not returned to normal. So just impeach the dude and get it over with.

 

I'm intrigued by this. About when would you say it began being discussed and on what basis?