Thieving Israeli soldiers not prosecuted

When Israel Defense Forces enter Palestinian homes in the Occupied Territories they will cause damage and steal money and property but are never prosecuted. There were 30 known cases of looting during the search for the three murdered Jewish teens last summer but when money was returned in some cases that was the end of it. Ten cases remain open but no charges have been filed.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.677231
I suspect this is all the tip of an iceberg. Really, how many victims would bother making complaints knowing the culprits will never be held accountable?

Israeli soldiers during a nighttime search in Occupied Palestine

 

If Palestinians are involved any 'punishment' meted out to the IDF is derisory. Commit a war crime such as the use of human shields? Take a demotion in rank and away you go...
https://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_rul_rule97
Why is Israel apparently immune from prosecution and can get away with these atrocities with impunity?

 

Massive human rights abuses commited by ISIS on a daily basis and the left whine about some pilfering by Israeli soldiers. More proof the left don't really care about middle east human rights

 

Do start another thread about ISIS if you like and stop attempting to detrail this topic which is about thieving Israeli soldiers.

 

No, I think exploring the motivations of those who single out Israel is vital to understanding these threads

 

so you really want to compare Israel soldiers to ISIS, I think Israel wold hold their soldiers to a higher standard, don't you?

it's like comparing cops to murderers and saying well at least the cops are not that bad... well of course not.... we hold cops to a higher standard

as far as the thread though, hard to tell what is true and not anymore

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What an awful situation.

How can they live like that?

 

In that case I recommend you take the issue up with HAARETZ, the Israeli newspaper of record. I would hardly think the Israeli press singles out Israel for criticism.

 

##Of course a newspaper is going to concentrate on domestic issues. Its forign lefties who wank on about israeo whilst ignoring human rights abuses commited by their beleoved islamists

 

How does one's human right abuses justify lesser human right abuses? We are also fighting against ISIS with air strikes. To be fair more could be done including no fly zone in Syria which would provide a safe area for refugees from ISIS and Assad.

 

The left is fighting ISIS with air strikes?

The Left is against air strikes on ISIS

 

Still a left wing paper.

 

May God's wrath be swift and merciless.

 

There is something decidedly foreign to Israelis about Palestine.

 

What was incorrect in its report of thievery in the ranks of the Israel Defense Forces?

 

What is readily apparent is the discrepancy on the left to single out Israel for everything or anything. In this case pilfering, yet no complaint about the atrocities committed by Muslims. Outrage over Israeli nationalism (Zionism) but none over Muslim nationalism. What is apparent is the blatant antisemitism.

 

It is not only "pilfering" (a word not used in the report) but home invasions, destruction of property, and burglary.

 

If we will look on the whole of the Israelies and what they know about "Palestine", then it is probably close to e zero, and that's because of the laughable Israeli Ministry of Education that is allowing that the whole truth about "Palestine" will be heard in the verious class rooms in Israel, and the curriculum about hisotory of the Land of Israel is so laughable that it is a disgrace to study it.

If you will ask me what is "Palestine" as an Israeli, I will say to you that it is very much depends on what "Palestine" do you refer? is it "Palestine" as it referred in the history books? Or is it "Palestine" as it referred by the Arabs?
If you are referring "Palestine" as it refers in the history books, then you will see that "Palestine" is a nickname that Hadrian made up so he could stick it to the Jews that he gracefully exiled in 135 AD after the Bar Kochba revolt, and that he called the land that was referred until that point of time as "Judea", because of the existance of the Philistines that were existed in part of the land in the biblical times.
"Palestine" according to history is West Trans-Jordan and East Trans-Jordan, that was promised to the Jews exclusivly in 1922 and thanks to Article 80 of the UN Charter still valid.

If you will refer me to the second option- when you refer "Palestine" as the Arab refer it, then I will say that it is a fiction that the Arab made so it could justify their need to control all of the ME and to fulfill once and for all their ultimate goal for this region as it was described In the Manifesto of the movement of the Pan-Arabism, as it was first described in the book of Najib Izuri from 1905 and firstly intreducted as political agenda by Hussein bin Ali In the Ottoman period.

As an Israeli that served in the brigade in the West Bank for 3 years, that was and still responsible for 70% of the total arrestments there, and today I serve as a veteran, I never stole nor destructed any Arab property, and so did all of the fellow soldiers that served with me in that brigade. Moreover, our commanders worned us that if we will ever do so, we will be put infront of a military court and will spend our time in military prison. They worned us before any arrest that we needed to take part of.

Now, if you source that you provided here that there were some cases of looting, then it is very serious and that every soldier that did it should be put in jail. But still not once a charge has been filed, and if so, then no one could be put in jail for anything.

After all if a man rape a woman in the street and the woman doesnt file a charge against him, the police cant arrest the man, right? Even tough that we will both agree that the rape is awful and shocking event.

 

Not the Palestine of history, surely. If someone talks about Germany today, they do not mean the land as it was in the time of Bismark. I do not know what all the Arabs mean by Palestine but the world equates Palestine today with the Occupied Territories of Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.

I suppose I will have to take your word for that.

Well, that has never happened and I wager it never will.

 

So? It's still an Israeli paper. Every major Israeli paper is left-wing aside from Arutz Sheva and Bibi's mouthpiece Israel Hayom including Haaretz, yediot aharonot which is highest selling newspaper(english version of it is ynet), Jerusalem Post(which dates back to 1932), Times of Israel(founded by David Horowitz former editor for Jpost and wrote the excellent Still Life with Bombers: Israel in the Age of Terrorism which is about him living on as an Israeli during second intifada) and Maariv(second highest selling after yediot aharonot).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maariv_(newspaper)

 

""Palestine" according to history is West Trans-Jordan and East Trans-Jordan, that was promised to the Jews exclusivly in 1922 and thanks to Article 80 of the UN Charter still valid.
Palestine was never promised exclusively to the Jews. The mandate promised a Jewish home in Palestine. Also when the mandate for Palestine was awarded to the British in 1920 at the San Remo conference no boundaries were set. It's boundaries(which Britain as mandatory power had a right to do this according to mandate doc itself) with League consent in 1922 defined areas east of Jordan river to be autonomous area separate from the Jewish home. This was done since it was agreed upon that area was promised to the Arabs when they revolted against the Turks during WW1 in the McMahon-Huessein correspondences. As mentioned before the British announced the mandate to be terminated the next May in November 1947 after Britain referring the problem to the UN didn't solve the problem. As mentioned before the Israeli declaration of independence says the mandate was terminated. Article 80 doesn't say anything like that. Article 80 is below
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1. Except as may be agreed upon in individual trusteeship agreements, made under Articles 77, 79, and 81, placing each territory under the trusteeship system, and until such agreements have been concluded, nothing in this Chapter shall be construed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples or the terms of existing international instruments to which Members of the United Nations may respectively be parties.
2.Paragraph 1 of this Article shall not be interpreted as giving grounds for delay or postponement of the negotiation and conclusion of agreements for placing mandated and other territories under the trusteeship system as provided for in Article 77."
West Bank is not under international trustee so article 80 doesn't apply.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)
http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter12.shtml

Predictably you will probably cite Eugene Rostow(who was involved in one resolution UN 242 which there have been several that says Israel is an occupying power and that the settlements are illegal), Julius Stone, and Jacques Gauthier which all state that article 80 covers Israeli settlements despite article 80 only covering ongoing trustees. You will probably cite that letter by mainly 100 Israeli lawyers that if they do specialize in international law most of them are in areas like international commerce/business/corporate law which is not relevant to the discussion as this would include international humanitarian law. However they are the minority. Several of the world's best experts on international law including Israeli former legal adviser to foreign ministry Theodore Meron, James Crawford, Christine Chanet, Theo van Boven, John Quigley, John Dugard, and Ben Saul all contradict Stone, Gauthiers, and Rostow; bv holding settlements as illegal due to Israel being an occupying power. The majority of international law scholars also holds settlements as illegal due to Israel being an occupying power. In addition UNSC, international Red Cross, UNSC, and ICJ all hold settlements illegal for same reason.
https://books.google.com/books?id=t... and by the majority of legal scholar&f=false

 

Muslims throwing gays off the tops of buildings, stoning women to death, etc. Yes, I see the selective outrage as antisemitism by the left.

 

This topic is about the conduct of the Israel Army of Occupation.

 

Thanks for making my point.

 

As I already wrote to you about "Palestine" according history:
If you are referring "Palestine" as it refers in the history books, then you will see that "Palestine" is a nickname that Hadrian made up so he could stick it to the Jews that he gracefully exiled in 135 AD after the Bar Kochba revolt, and that he called the land that was referred until that point of time as "Judea", because of the existance of the Philistines that were existed in part of the land in the biblical times.
"Palestine" according to history is West Trans-Jordan and East Trans-Jordan, that was promised to the Jews exclusivly in 1922 and thanks to Article 80 of the UN Charter still valid.

"Palestine" is not only Judea and Samaria, Gaza and East Jerusalem.

That's because charges havent been filed.