This should help, Gnostic vs. Agnostic Atheism

Why do you keep linking to that website? It's not like it's the common creed that all atheists follow. I've never even read that website before, and I'd wager many others haven't either.

 

Because it spells out most clearly what almost all atheist web sites say. Almost all of them have a nhilistic bent to them - and indeed, many of teh arguements made on that web site, are made right here on this forum.

That is not an uncommon sentiment in the atheist community.

I will wager that you have been to atheist web sites that preach the exact same things.

And its funny you say that you have never been to that site, but most of the issues that pop up on this forum are directly from that source. Be it the Fort Bragg Concert, lawsuit over the ground zero cross, atheist banners, etc.

Atheists cheer them loudly - and yet when they are directed to the sentiment that drives the antics and is being preached .... well, now what?

Its not like you are condeming it are you.

 

Not for no reason whatsoever. For reasons of logic and evidence.

The opposite of random is not design. The opposite of random is ordered. Ordered <> design. A quartz crystal is ordered, sand is random. Diamond is ordered, carbon black is random. Ice is ordered, water is random. Do you see that something can be ordered but it doesn't have to designed?

I looked at your so called "evidence" for those miracles but saw none.

Also, you called it magic on the previous post, I didn't.

Onwards...

Don't fall into the "God in the gaps" trap. Just because science doesn't know all the answers doesn't prove there is a God. Like the bunnies with the puzzle, we have enough pieces to get a pretty good idea what the picture is.

Yes, I am in a debate forum (not sure what you were trying to say). As far as atheists acting like (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s, first of all, no group is immune, including Christians. Secondly, I was talking about belief, not action. They are separate though sometimes connected. I have no problem with you being a Christian, however, I do have a problem if you try to force your religion into science classes or into our laws. I would also take issue if you claimed I was a war mongering rapist.

When you come down to it, it is our actions, not our beliefs that define us.

Why does God need you to learn and grow closer to Him? Couldn't He have created you with all that knowledge already. As for serving others, an atheist could choose that to be the purpose of his/her life.

As for me, my purpose is to learn as many secrets to this great wonderful world as I can and to teach others the same.

 

Which are?

Now, this is where all other atheists have suddenly declared themselves agnostic atheists, you see, and thus they have no burden of proof - even though it is logic and evidence that lead them to conclude that there is no God.

Well, lets see it?

And something can still not be both can it? You are quibbling.

If something was created in an ordered fashion - that strongly indicates that it was designed - especially when that ordered state arises out of ... pure energy.

The you see only what you wish. That is obstinance, not the reasoned eveluation of something you cannot otherwise explain.

God claims miracles - there are indeed miracles.

You have no explanation do you? No alternate explanation except the cop out that - well maybe someday we'll know? THat too requires faith, and when faith is causing you to doscount everything rather than explore it?

Kinda a crappy faith isn't it?

Don't fall into the atheist propganda trap. That os slapping the gap label on something and watching it destroy curiosity and inquisitive nature. Simply dismissing anything as a 'gap' is a weak, unscientific cop out.

Its just another common atheist excuse to avoid substantial debate. Everythinhg that indicates probability is just a gap - and miracles are just dismissed.

Yet you claim it is evidence that drives your position - well, it looks like it is the deliberate exclusion of evidence that drives your position, and that is a totally different animal altogether is it not?

And here comes the emotional accusation, never far away from atheism.

Who is trying to force religion into a science classroom? Or do you think tossing out standard atheist propoganda is a sign of insight and evidence?

You cannot demand evidence and use science as a weapon against religion, and then when people harmonize science and demonstrate how God is quite probable using science - scream bloddy murder - US CONSTITUTION - when science seems to indicate that religious perceptions are not all that illogical - far from it.

Science is a tool, and it isn't forcing your religion on anyone to meet the burden of proof set before you.

Indeed, you preach science - but, as usual, we see none.

Yep, just like the repeatedly failure to demonstrate the logic and evidence of atheism - which is apparently not a faith at all mind you - defines atheism.

Who says this is not how we are being created?

Why are you always trying to find fault rather than offer up a solution of your own?

Is that all atheists can do? Find problems rather than solve them?

And what exactly are you teching? That religion is evil? THat religious people are secretly trying to infiltrate the US government and force you to believe as we do?

By all means, what secrets?

And, if I may point out, you simply took the religious purpose and dropped God. We are here to learn ... oh, agh, so are you. Funny how that works.


Apparently, everything we offer is spot on - except God? Interesting logic there.