This Whole Gender Thing

You sound like someone that is closer to being a teenager, than to someone that has raised one and has an adult's perspective on teenagers. With experience, you will realize that your perspective on the world changes drastically as your frame of reference expands. To answer your question, NOBODY understands a teenager, ESPECIALLY the teenager themselves. They are a work in progress, and where they will end up is decidedly a mystery. Being that hormone therapy requires parental consent.......yes you CAN stop them.

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There is actually surprisingly very little data on the effects of puberty blockers and hormones on people going through puberty.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...of-transitioning-in-teen-years-remain-unknown

Unless of course you are going to claim that NPR is somehow a shill for Conservatives, you have to acknowledge that there are some pretty scary correlations that we do know exist, and it is yet to be determined if there is causality involved in those correlations.

As a parent, you would be downright negligent to allow ( yes I said allow) your troubled teenager to embark upon such an unproven experiment. If they want to do so when they are an adult that is their choice, and I would support them in that decision if as a mature adult they think that is their best course of action. When they are still an addle brained teenager?....not a chance. As you move further and further away from your teen years, I suspect you will have a different perspective.

 

1) congratulations, you rawdogged someone into pregnancy and managed to not let the resulting child die before adulthood. lots of morons do that. want a ****ing trophy?

2) i don't think you understand how easy it is to buy pills from thailand off of the internet​

You can transition without HRT.

 

That's not a conclusion, but rather a rebuttal to the idea that somebody who has never been Napoleon can feel like they are Napoleon. j

and sorry, but I've tried to follow your thinking, and inbetween the snide remarks and admonitions to get educated on the subject, I've seen nothing that points to this stuff as being anything other than a bizarre fashion statement.

 

-I am not seeking a trophy. I am just pointing out the obvious, which is that your perspective and frame of reference are so blatantly and obviously limited, that it rightly puts into question the wisdom involved in your position.

- While its possible that a child could get hormone pills from Thailand, that doesnt mean that a parent should say "oh well" and run out and get some from the pharmacy. That notion is ridiculous. A teenager can also get their hands on heroin.... Similarly, that doesnt mean that the parents should then run to the pharmacy and get them Vicodin. To the best of my knowledge, my friends "daughter" has not procured any black market Thai hormones.

- You say that you can transition without HRT, and I will take your word on that. I fail to see your point though. If I had a child in a similar situation, I would oppose anything that required my consent, until which time they were an adult and can legally make their own decisions. When they are an adult, they are capable of deciding for themselves. When they are 15, their decisions cannot yet be trusted, because their brains are not fully developed. If a person decides to makes a life altering decision that turns out to be a mistake when they are 20.... thats on them. If parents consent to a 15 yr old making a life altering decision that turns out to be a mistake... thats on the parents.

 

Yeah, and your frame of reference is limited too. Welcome to subjectivity. Argue with me.

I would advise your friends' son to do so immediately. I'm a fan of taking matters into one's own hands, and going behind someone's back to do what's best for yourself sounds exactly like that to me.

I mean, you could, but that's shitty parenting.

 

Clearly you don't know them very well. The progs who have usurped the Democrat party don't really have room for your type of liberal, otherwise their policy goals would reflect that...

 

-We HAVE been "arguing". I am comfortable in the belief that my argument has been FAR more persuasive. I have no doubt that you believe that your argument has been far more persuasive. The primary difference being, that as you gain a reasonable perspective on life and get farther and farther away from actually being a teenager, you will undoubtedly come to the realization that my mindset contains far more wisdom.

-You can "advise" them however youd like. Please do in fact. With that being said, it doesnt change the reality that your advice is coming from a child like perspective that mistakenly believes that teenagers are capable of making well informed, serious adult decisions. Everybody thinks they have it all figured out in their teens, but by the time they hit 30, they come to the realization of just how much they still dont know. When you realize how much you dont know, you are finally on your way to actual enlightenment.

-Based on your obviously sincere and equally obvious immature belief system, I can honestly say that being called a shitty parent by you is in fact a compliment. Thank you.

As you mature and perhaps have kids of your own, your mind will change. It always does.

 

People with gender dysphoria do not feel like they are their own biological sex. There are a myriad of reasons which have been provided to you for why this is, but you choose to ignore them because it is inconvenient for your worldview. You have never experienced gender dysphoria because if you did, you would inherently understand this to be true.

 

I find you to be annoying and overly convinced of your own wisdom.

 

I am not surprised in the slightest.

 

Yeah....clearly....

 

The entire thing is simply re-badged adjustment disorder. Politicised out of the DSM.

There is nothing special or unique about this particular flavour of delusion. It just happens to be fashionable at present.

 

At least you are finally getting it...

 

Gender and sex are the same thing. Both objective.

 

Might be a little more than that though in a society which lives in facts. We stamp documents as Official based around this factual information.
Things like birth certs and drivers licenses for instance. These are to be official docs, with facts...yet these people who "feel" they are something they are not want society to not only play along with said delusions...but stamp them as official.

Don't see this as a legitimate problem? We are at a moment in society where we have a choice to continue to live in a fact based society, or start playing pretend on official documents. Once you leave facts behind, you're going to have trouble validating every ones fantasy.

They clearly are the ones with the problem, and they're expecting us all to play along and validate the delusion.

 

Apparently you don’t understand sarcasm

 

Actually it's the other way around. Progressives have dismissed the mental health issue at the core of this, because they don't condone the pathologising of a state that they think is 'normal'. They have no science, no consistency, no understanding, and no logic. What they (Progs) do have is an overweening interest in all things sexual, and anything which rocks the boats of 'parents' - aka, old authority. This is what happens when teenagers never grow up.

 

Spot on.

 

You are very naive. These are people with serious mental health issues (hence the delusions). They suffer from what amounts to mal-adjustment (to reality), and this disease is not being treated. Instead, the symptoms of the disease are being encouraged.

If you cannot see the clear pathological pathway to suicidal ideation in that scenario, you're probably arguing out of your depth.

 

If the pickles and cheese had a high likelihood of killing me, or making me want to die, then I would hope that more than one neighbour took a stand.

 

It's not convenience, it's Occam's Razor. The minute science is impacted by 'feelings', it's stops being science.

 

occam's razor means you look at the evidence and find the simplest explanation for it, not ignoring the evidence and yelling at everyone for being a pansy while they try to actually understand things

 

This made me LOL

 

He/She said 'or defective'. Defects were not ignored.

 

There is no further 'evidence' to ignore, Love. There's yer problemo.