Three things history teaches us

Except for the fact that it happened in this country to the Black population during Re-Construction and produced intimidation and violence for the next several decades.

 

I believe they do as well.

The left demonizes wealth gained through private enterprise. The left desires wealth equality, relying on government to enforce this ideal. The left desires to continue to raise taxes and redistribute wealth for the "benefit"of the collective.

The path to socialism is easy to see, including these motives and justification for the movement. Now it's educational institutions which they desire to take over. Healthcare as well. While simultaneously implementing programs that provide food, housing, childcare, telephones, utilities... these are all the starts of socialist principles which began decades ago.

Just now, socialists are openly admitting this take over off private enterprise is the end goal. They are quite literally saying it, and more so inch by inch implementing it.

Search out the US Socialist Party.

Either way, once you start down the road of suicidal justice and fairness, the end game is always socialism, or worse communism.

Not even close.

In the last 5 decades, we're have seen nearly 50% of US citizens become dependent on social programs and assistance. These programs are entirely funded by removing capital, and profits, from the private sector.

At what point of effective taxation do business decide to just stop trying to do business? Because, that's the point that the government takes over, and the left pretends government saved production while failing to see they caused it in the first place.

Many of the Nordic countries will get there first, but make no mistake, we are on the same path.

 

You blame capitalism for inefficient and reckless government.

That seems so backwards to me.

 

Not really. The US didn't learn a damn thing from Vietnam. How long are we in the ME now with the useless adventure?

 

And now it's going to happen to white conservative males?

 

And yet you have no examples of anyone pushing for the socialism you defined.

 

Holy pizzas and bratwurst, America is a socialist/fascist country.

 

Actually I did.


"Socialism is not mere government ownership, a welfare state, or a repressive bureaucracy. Socialism is a new social and economic order in which workers and consumers control production and community residents control their neighborhoods, homes, and schools. The production of society is used for the benefit of all humanity, not for the private profit of a few. Socialism produces a constantly renewed future by not plundering the resources of the earth."

https://www.socialistpartyusa.net/principles-points-of-agreement

 

But I thought you said....socialism is when government owns the means of private production. That private enterprise does not exist. All necessary activities to sustain society are owned and controlled by the government?

 

History teaches nothing. For every "lesson" of history I can find something that proves the exact opposite

History is literature, the Great Story which actually happened (some say) We study it to study the human condition "The proper study of mankind is man"

I used to teach it too.

Guns are a cancerous sickness, they will kill us all if we let them.
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No, not at least not within orthodox Marxism. Marx himself said he had no problem with "shopkeepers". His main concern was the giant monopolies that were running everything in his day. Socialism doesn't really exist anymore.

 

None.

But to continue their socialist Ponzi schemes, they're having to bring in third worlders. And that will permanently change their culture.

When government expands in size and scope, bad things happen.

 

Doesn't that make you miss the 10th Amendment?
Health. Education. Welfare. Labor. Housing. etc.

 

Have you ever heard any of Bernie's and Warren's speeches lately? Others too!!!

 

That is exactly what the Socialist Party of the USA stand for per their quote.

All production, for the benefit of society, should be controlled by the government not for private profit.

 

did you even read their quote?

 

Yup and have yet to hear they want government to own all means of private production. That private enterprise should not exist and that all necessary activities to sustain society be owned and controlled by the government.
If you have, please share quotes from them stating such.

 

Uh, yes.

They say that ownership of business is not the "mere" reason for socialism... meaning, it is part of it but not the only aspect of socialism.

They then go on to say:

"The production of society is used for the benefit of all humanity, not for the private profit of a few."

That sir... is socialism. I'm not sure what you're debating here.

Are you trying to say that the socialist party isnt socialist?

 

Socialism doesnt necessarily have to nen implemented 100%

Socialism doesnt necessarily have to be implemented 100% overnight to state that current policies are socialist in nature with a constant push for more and more socialism.

Attempting to make this a black or white situation doesnt make it go away. You disagree that in the last 5 decades, the US has not consistently adopted more socialist policies? You deny that the US Socialist Party wants to institute socialism?

 

Right, but YOU said socialism is...
"socialism is when government owns the means of private production. That private enterprise does not exist. All necessary activities to sustain society are owned and controlled by the government?

 

How do communities and citizens own collectively private production? Hint: through government.

 

Of course we have some social programs. That doesn't mean we're going to turn into a full on socialist country.

 

I disagree.

The narrative of the left and their motivations all follow that of the social agenda.

Opposition to private profit.
Advocating for wealth inequality government corrections.
Increased taxation for social justice.
Government responsibility to provide rights to education and healthcare.
Opposition to capitalism.
Support for what appears never ending government programs.

Now, progressives liberal democrats and the socialist party openly advocate for the take over of some or all private sector industries.

I'm not sure how you missed it.

 

No one is looking for govt to be in total control of all private production. You're being hysterical