100 million dollars in 1912 would make powerful people do powerful things. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II-JVcaW0O0"]‪Why They Sunk The Titanic Part 1‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]
ANOTHER TWIST OF THE PLOT. I asked myself who was the richest person that died that day??? That would be John Jacob Aster. I asked myself if Aster was friend or foe with J. P. Morgan? ( owner of the sunken ship ) Turns out Aster along with two other rich passengers of that sunken cruse ship were investors in Tesla technology. The technology that was going to turn over free energy to everyone. Morgan was very much opposed to this free distribution of wealth to the masses. Aster was also opposed to the formation of The Federal Reserve that came into place in 1913. So, was the sinking of the Titanic more of an assassination plot than anything else? Send the Olympic to 6000 feet below sea level, and send your business adversary's to the bottom also. Seems like pretty good business doesn't it? See why there was only lifeboat space for women and children? When Aster died, so did the funding for Tesla, and the opposition to the Federal Reserve. http://www.truthoffering.com/choosered/2011/1/11/did-jp-morgan-sink-the-titanic.html
LOL... When dealing with loons on the internet, it's quicker to just ask what ISN'T a conspiracy. So presumably they towed that iceberg right into the Titantic's path?
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer German philosopher (1788 - 1860)
One hundred million dollars, is just one very small piece of this equation. That is the payoff from the insurance in today's dollars. Then you look at the fact the Fed banking system changed the very next year due in great measure to the fact the people opposing this change, were the people that had no lifeboats. This, should be investigated with vigor, because the last time I checked, there is no statute of limitations on murder.
To ar10: I thought I heard them all, but I must say that I never heard this one before. The story told in the videos is quite interesting. As an old shipwrecked sailor who stood more hours of lookouts on merchant ships than I can count, everything about the iceberg part of the theory is weak. Icebergs do not have running lights on them; so seeing one at night that is more than a quarter of a mile away would be a problem; especially since the guilty iceberg was mostly under water by all accounts. Even with a full moon it is mighty dark at sea. Also, lookouts in my day did not use binoculars. I have not read anything that said the lookouts on the Titanic had binoculars. That might have made a difference in the elapsed time between the iceberg being spotted and the time it was hit. The fact that the ship did hit the berg indicates it was not reported in time to change course. In that scenario two minuets is a lot. Incidentally, I never saw a crows nest in my life. Weather permitting, a lookout (only one) on merchant ships in my day stood watch on the bow, or on the wing of the bridge when the sea was rough. I know they did things differently in 1912 but dark is dark in any year. A crow's nest would naturally allow the lookout to see further than a lookout posted on the bow, but seeing further would not matter once an iceberg is close enough to be unavoidable. As I said the iceberg part of the story is weak.
A famous and pithy quote with absolutely no basis in reality. Heretic fallacy. "They laughed at the Wright Brothers!" Yeah, well, they also laughed at the Marx brothers. Having your statements ridiculed by others does not make them true. What's the statute of limitations on crazy?
Start by looking up Nikola Tesla.. Assasination by iceberg is only practical if you control the iceberg.
You guys can study history, or you can continue to watch TV news. If you wait for TV news to inform you on anything, you have a long wait.
You call me crazy? Rather than drop to name calling, which is against the rules of this site, and could get you banned, how about you just drop out of the thread and go troll somewhere else? The post is about the Titanic. If you have facts, or thoughts to share, please do. If you can only be a negative storm cloud using name calling, I hope you are dealt with by the moderators, as it should be.
To ar10: After much discussion with some folks who took an interest in your videos, we concluded that the hitting the iceberg could be chalked up as a fortunate accident for those people running the insurance scam, but only if a viable plan to sink the Olympic/Titanic was abandoned after the ship struck the berg. So far, there is no evidence that a realistic plan existed.
Fact to share about the Titanic: It struck an iceberg and sunk. How that could possibly involve a "conspiracy" is beyond any reasonable belief.
It did not just strike the burg, it continued to move under power, forcing water in the rips & tears. If you were involved in a boating accident, and were taking on water, would you continue on full speed ahead? You might, if your original plan was to use the California as a rescue ship, and knowing she was just up ahead. The ship (I am no longer prepared to call her the Titanic) did not cut power till they saw a ship on the horizon. Thinking this was the California, they cut power, and began to signal her. Odd, they did not signal with emergency colors. Why, why did they do all their signaling with white flairs? They thought the ship they could see was the California, but it was another ship, doing illegal harvesting of seals, and did not respond to non-emergency color flares. It is quite possible the ship was never meant to hit a berg. Remember they had a fire in the boiler room, a fire that had been there for a week. It would have been a simple matter to get that out of control in the night, creating an explosion of hot steam had they flooded that engine compartment. This was a job one conspirator could have done after the area had been ordered emptied by the captain. Remember both ships, the lost ship and the California were owned by J. P. Morgan, and he failed to sail at the last minute. Most of the passengers, including the very wealthy passengers, thought Morgan was included in the passengers. They felt safe knowing his life was also in the same boat. Well, as it turned out, it was not. There is a rat here. Ballard found extra beams on the ship from a repair. Why? The ship had a list to port as reported by passengers. why? The Olympic did not have sea trials for two days as is the law. Why? Only enough lifeboats for the people not part of the Industrial Complex. Why? Portholes added to make both ships look like twins. Why? Carpet placed over tile, (new tile?) just before the reported new ship set sail. Why? Botch, heavily botched inquiries on both sides of the ocean. Why? Sank on the very first trip, before the reporters in New York could get a good look at her. Why? Both captains ( Olympic / Titanic & California had their captains sleeping in a room by the bridge, in full clothing, not bed clothing. Why? My personal opinion, the videos are on to something, but failed to find the full motive for sinking the Olympic that night, assassination.
LOL... So according to your "theory", a good portion of the crew was in on this? So this was a conspiracy to commit suicide? Silliness. Abject silliness.
Years ago, two men pulled into the same shopping mall, and went inside. When they came out all was normal, except they drove off with the wrong cars. They both had no idea, did not even notice. Same make, same color, same everything, even keys. The switch was noticed when one man looked in the glove compartment for something, and found other things that did not belong to him. This was on the news when I was a kid, and reported on the famous Paul Harvey show. Point being, if everything is the same, who on board could notice???, the ships were the same down to almost every detail. Ships monograms on plates and laundry were the company name, not the ships names. If twin girls can fool boyfriends and teachers, would it be harder for a ship to be switched? Hey, you are doing a little better at not name calling. Congratulations, good boy! Still not perfect, but you are in a learning curve for that I guess.
They were so much alike, only one image was used for both ships in publications of the time. Even in trade ads for the Titanic, photographs of the Olympic were always used, because they were almost identical. All the parts and fittings, fixtures, everything matched. Very much cut down on production costs.
LOL... so a 45,000 ton ship just vanished? Yeah, no one would miss that. This has to be the wackiest conspiracy theory I've ever heard. You sacrifice what was at the time the largest and most expensive ship in the world, along with thousands of lives, to kill one guy? Asinine beyond belief.
Your rude posts prove what exactly? I talk about the issue of the thread, and you name call. I am tired of it. Other people come here to talk the facts and point out theories, which is what this place is for.
That you're more interested in maintaining your preexisting confirmation bias (a form of delusion) than in actually discovering the truth. I'm not name calling. I'm diagnosing. So leave. You won't because if there's one thing conspiracy theorists can't stand it's being ignored. Yes. The fact is an iceberg sunk the Titanic, there was no conspiracy regarding that sinking, and there's no theory otherwise that isn't a complete crock of (*)(*)(*)(*).
Thank goodness for the ignore list. Don't bother to reply to my posts as they will not be seen. Don't feel bad, I am sure your Mom puts up with you. As for myself, I am here to learn, not shovel BS
You're shoveling a whole lot of it, strangely enough. Considering no one else is posting in your swirling drain of a thread, have fun talking to yourself. I know you're reading this, too.
