Top Ten Covid Killing Nations

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    No clue what you're saying here, sorry.

    But culture does play a HUGE role in these kinds of situations.
     
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    It would certainly be noticed in New Zealand, which - who knew! - has millions of citizens to feed and house via global freight links.

    And they did shut down completely. That's why their economy is now more or less back to normal, and they're mask free and enjoying life as it was before COVID.
     
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    I dont lol...that was meant as a joke but it came out all wonky. I was making fun of your undeniable glee when you think America has failed at something.
     
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    We're the freest country in the world. We choose how we live and yes that has consequences during China pandemics. The majority of people who caught covid made a choice to not follow guidelines. The death toll sucks but we Americans will always choose freedom, we fight for it, we also fight to protect freedom for countries like yours. When the **** hits the fan, we're the ones who save the free world the majority of the time. It's in our DNA but we still didn't come close to the 2million deaths that was projected because of our population and freedom.
     
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    No, this time we failed miserably and we didn't need to. We're almost at 500,000 deaths and it's NOT over yet. And no, there wasn't a "projection" of 2 million deaths. There was just an epidemiological model with a ceiling of what could have happened if no mitigation whatsoever had ever occurred, which is just a theoretical calculation because there is no such thing as no mitigation when any country faces a deadly outbreak of an infectious disease - just the sheer fact that people get afraid makes them be more prudent, so it's never life as usual, which would be required for that theoretical ceiling.

    Do you know why we have failed miserably? Just look at the fact that we have 4% of the world's population, and 22% of the world's Covid-19 deaths.

    And sorry, but screaming "MY FREEEEEEDOMS" to stop yourself from taking some basic precautions to protect yourself, your loved ones, and your community from a potentially deadly disease, is just plain stupid.
     
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    What impresses me are the following data;

    U.S. Versus Canada

    U.S.

    Deaths per 1M pop; 1,528
    Case Fatality Rate; 1.77%

    Canada

    Deaths per 1M pop; 568
    Case Fatality Rate; 2.56

    U.S./Canada Case Fatality Rate; a difference of 0.79%, thus, irrelevant.

    U.S./Canada Deaths per 1M pop; a difference of 960 equates to; 960 X 331 = 317,000 covid19 deaths, thus, highly relevant.

    Response from the below average intelligent people; "Yeah, but we can't compare both countries because Canada's population is 1/10th the size of the U.S.''
     
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    Ok I gave the CCP the benefit of a doubt for a year. But I think it's fairly obvious that the cause of all this suffering is not first world countries, or Trump, or mask deniers etc. It is most likely the fact that a government out there exists that is unaccountable for its mistakes, and this makes it very dangerous to the world when it fiddles with viruses in its labs.
     
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    Why do you compare lightly populated countries with those that are more highly populated. The area in which I live out here in fly over country has zero COVID cases. In order for the virus to spread you need to get people together. We mostly wave to each other when we pass on the back country roads. I prefer to live in the U.S., thank you, and I have lived in four other countries.
     
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    Are you seriously claiming that Taiwan, Thailand, and Vietnam are 'lightly populated'? You realise Vietnam alone is about the size of one of your smaller states, and has 90 million citizens?
     
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    Well actually in this specific circumstance unless you are over the age of 70 or so or have some kind of chronic health issue like heart disease etc your 'liberty' doesn't actually really cost you anything. You've just subcontracted out all the 'death' to the elderly and infirm that's all. The founding Fathers would no doubt be inspired by your (complete lack) of sacrifice.

    The thing is 'Give me liberty or give me death' is a call to action, a call to endure hardship and adversity and ultimately to be prepared to put ones own life on the line in the defense of freedom and the rights of others. Which is exactly what generations of Americans have done in the past, giving up their lives in defense of the rights and freedoms of others. You on the other hand are proudly sitting on your arse effectively doing.... what is it again? Oh that's right - NOTHING.

    Which is fine - that's your right. But for pities sake please don't try and wrap your complete lack of concern for others up in the flag and then somehow pretend you that somehow your doing your 'patriotic duty', because your not. Doing nothing is not patriotism.
     
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    If they want they can stay entirely at home and live their boring life in safety. I choose otherwise.
     
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    As I said, that's your right. Just don't dress it up as 'patriotism' because you personally are risking nothing by making that choice. Real patriots however are by default those who take risks or suffer adversity on behalf of others.
     
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    No I didn't claim that. You took my comment and took it to the extreme. Your problem, not mine.
     
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    I agree that we failed miserably there are 10 million more people unemployed right now than in 2019. That is having way more devastating effects on those 10 million than Covid. Don't even give me the partisan mask/lockdown BS, Liberals were protesting by the millions in the middle of the pandemic and none of your dem leaders were on the podium saying stop the nonsense. No doubt people were desperate because they were losing jobs and businesses daily and politicians used it to win elections. It's sickening and Covid is going to be a bump compared to the desperation to survive without money. This country was foolish and we're about to reap the financial destruction we've created, the bill is coming due very very quickly. Oh and our brilliant leaders are killing pipelines now gas is going through the roof and there's no bigger tax on the poor than high gas prices.
     
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    What, my Dem leaders? I'm not a Dem. I always thought that the BLM protests were stupid too. ANY mass gathering during an airborne pandemic is stupid, be it a BLM protest, or a Trump rally, or a bikers rally, or anything else.

    Lockdowns: they were partial, full of exceptions, poorly enforced, lasted 3 to 5 weeks and all ended by May 2020. California briefly and partially resumed a lockdown recently, then rapidly cancelled it again. There is NO state in the United States involved in a lockdown. Not a single one. There hasn't been any since May except for the brief restart in some Californian counties. People whine about the lockdowns and think that they were the thing responsible for the economic downturn. Nope. Yes, they did have an impact but they have been over for 9 months. What is hurting the economy is the virus itself.

    This is very easy to see.

    Look at rules for diminished capacity in restaurants and stores. Go to OpenTable and you'll see that even though the restaurants were forced to diminish capacity, THEY AREN'T EVEN FILLING UP THAT DIMINISHED CAPACITY!!! There are open slots everywhere. Why? Because people are AFRAID of dining out! If restaurants didn't have diminished capacity with spaced out tables, then people would be even LESS confident to go dine there.

    Stores: you used to see those signs, before the pandemic: "according to the Fire Marshall, occupancy by more than 200 people is unlawful." So the government now mandates that they can open but with a 25% capacity. So now it's 50 people. However, even before the pandemic, they rarely if ever had more than 50 people there simultaneously. So effectively there is no restriction for them whatsoever. But they get one or two customers per hour; they don't get even those 50... why? Because people are afraid and they don't have consumer confidence so they don't spend.

    There is nothing hurting more the economy than the virus itself.

    Sure, there's been some categories that were badly hit, which increases unemployment, which then decreases spending, which then worsens the economy, and then more businesses fail, etc. So, hospitality (restaurants, hotels), airlines, concerts, sports, all performance arts, downtown office rentals, etc., etc., all suffered disproportionally and laid out thousands, millions. But did they suffer primarily because of lockdowns (which were very short-lived?) No, because people are afraid. All airlines are allowed to fly. But there aren't many passengers. See what I mean? If you reopen an opera house, I guarantee that the senior citizens who frequent opera won't have the guts to go there and watch a performance live, in an indoor space with thousands of people sitting in the audience. Opera houses in certain countries tried to reopen. They closed down again because there were no takers.

    Partisan masks? I'm not a partisan. I have no party. I hate both the Dems and the GOP and I am unaffiliated. When I talk about masks, I talk about the scientific standpoint, given that I'm a medical doctor and a medical scientist (MD/PhD) for the last 40 years.

    This virus is airborne, duh, masks help. Masks of a certain quality, worn properly, and with a certain filtration capacity (not all masks are equal), are able to filter out the virus by significant amounts (looking at the average of 29 studies in a meta-analysis I posted here, the adjusted odds ratio drops 85% and the relative risk of catching the virus drops 82%).

    What is partisan about it? It's just a scientific fact. We doctors have know for literally centuries that masks decrease the odds of catching an airborne disease. They do not ELIMINATE the risk (see that the relative risk drops by 82% but not by 100%) but they do help. It is quite incredible that some people still think that they don't.

    Oh, and for the record, I'm not for mandatory lockdowns. I'm for people taking general precautions (good quality masks, social distancing, hand hygiene and limiting indoor gatherings as much as possible) voluntarily, out of good educational campaigns (which are nowhere to be seen), but with the economy still allowed to operate. I'm not for mandatory ANYTHING. I always thought that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

    And I've consistently posted about my views against mandatory measures. Ask poster @557 with whom I exchanged many views on this.
     
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    Extreme? The countries I mentioned (which are NOT lightly populated) make up almost half of that list.
     

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