Trump administration blames Iran for oil tanker attacks in Middle East

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  1. MrTLegal

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    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/13/tru...s-iran-for-tanker-attacks-in-middle-east.html

    The Trump Administration has now released a video that they claim shows Iran removing a Mine from the side of one of the tankers. But there is reason to be skeptical given that the Captain of one of the Oil Tankers has disputed part of the US version of the attack.

    Just last week, Trump Administration officials denied knowing who was to blame for the murder of Khashoggi because the investigation was still ongoing. And yet, the Trump Administration blamed Iran for this attack within a few hours.

    This situation appears remarkably similar to the lead up to the Iraq War. I remember watching Colin Powell appear before the UN with a vial of non-toxic material and a bunch of aerial photos of trucks. We have been at war for more than 10 years because of that farce.

    I also believe this tweet from Donald Trump is relevant, albeit conspiratorial.

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    Donald Internal Trump's Poll Numbers are in a tailspin.
     
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    One should never discount the potential stupidity of governments. I was thinking, why would they retrieve the mine with an obvious Iranian naval vessel, basically giving away their involvement, even though knowing that a US destroyer and warplanes were nearby? But then, the Saudis stupidly murdered Kashoggi in such an obvious way. Did they not think that they would be found out?

    In any case, we see where this will be going: The Saudis will be excused, because of "business" and dollars (err arms sales), with the Iranians, it may lead to war. Pompeo seems to be itching to go.
     
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    Why would a US Navy vessel allow anyone unauthorized to even get near that ship?

    Why is there an "unexploded mine" still stuck to the ship loadrd with explosive material hours after? This was a known risk possibility, one the US had to be prepared for?
     
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    I agree, the US vessel would have known that there was an Iranian vessel approaching.

    As to the unexploded mine, I could see how one would not go off. It is, however, unclear whether mines were involved in the first place. The crews have also talked about torpedos.

    I think we just have to wait until more evidence is present. One thing is clear, however, the administration is very eager to blame Iran.
     
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    The level of distrust that this administration has created makes it incredibly likely that a majority of Americans will trust Iran over America.

    Iran says US has no ‘shred of factual or circumstantial evidence’ that Tehran attacked oil tankers
     
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    So you believe IRAN? Wow! Might I remind you that Obama capitulated to Iran at every turn. He was weak and ineffective. Under Obama, Iran advanced their nuclear weapons and ballistic weapons programs and spread terror across the Middle Eastunchecked by Obama. Did you forget about the 10 American sailors captured by the Revolutionary Guard in 2016? Obama touted how "wonderful" his relationship was with Iran until he found out that Iran took pictures of the captured sailors and used them as propaganda. Obama bowed his way across the world and made things worse. Former Obama officials such as John Kerry have had secret meeting with Iran telling them to wait Trump out and things will be better when a Democrat is in. Treasonous much????
     
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    NOW Trump trust the intelligence services? Hmmm.
     
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    We better not respond to Iran. They struck a Japanese ship and a Norwegian ship. This is none of our business.
     
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    If we do go to war I hope we don't accidentally bomb Obama's mansion he bought over there.
     
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    Obama got Iran to agree and fully abide by a nuclear deal that subjected them to the most invasive and intrusive nuclear inspection regime in the world. An agreement that even Trump's own administration agreed was being upheld by Iran.

    Trump saluted North Korean generals, called Kim Jong Un a great guy, and promised to pay for the torture of an American citizen while refusing to blame North Korean leadership for his torture. And Trump got precisely jack ****.
     
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    That makes sense. Embolden your greatest enemy’s allies to band together and oppose you after attacking them unprovoked while one of their elected leaders is there visiting you for peace talks.

    The new neocons want to build the case for war against iran because we need to protect saudi oil. Good luck selling that to the american people.
     
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    While the left are so scared of Iran that they will kiss their ass and bow before them.
     
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    The most likely suspect is bin salman, probably in collusion with trump and his warmongers.
     
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    It’s sad that Dems now side with Iran over the United States.
     
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    I dont care about the iranian gov’t. They’re no better than the saudis. I just dont want american soldiers sent overseas to die for oil and protecting the saudi royal family. The saudis hate the iranians so much they should go fight their own wars instead of us doing it for them. Plus the countless civilians who are killed by americans bombs is also unsettling. And while our govt accuses iran of spreading terrorism across the middle east, do you know who else does that too? The saudis and our government prop up terrorists to fight iran’s terrorists. Except sometimes the terrorists we prop up also turn against us from time to time.

    So its not about siding with iran. Its about being consistant and not supporting BS wars with no goals or end in sight to support other groups who don’t even view us as allies.
     
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    To draw a line under Trump’s weakness.

    Remember that it has only been two weeks since Trump stood on a stage with the Japanese Prime Minister and declared that he wasn’t worried about North Korean missles that could reach Japan.

    With “allies” like that, No wonder the Japanese were in Tehran looking to work around Trump/.

    And the Iranians underlined the point by attacking a Japanese vessel in waters the US has been defending since the 1970’s.

    Counting on distrust of Trump in Washington (and the rest of the Western alliance), and the dithering of Trump and the incompetence of his foreign policy team.

    Trump supporters don’t understand or care about these things. But the world does. And the weakness and stupidity of Donald TRump are creating all kinds of opportunities for our rivals.

    Without the US in its long standing role as reliable anchor of the Western World, the nations that have been our traditional allies since 1945 are cast adrift.
     
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    Much of your post is false.

    Obama and John Kerry spent several years negotiating a nuclear accord with Iran this suspended their nuclear program.

    Trumpsters are typically parochial, and don’t seem to be remotely aware that the US had the participation of the EU, China and Russia in this accord.

    They also seem to be perfectly willing to discount the fact that Obama got Iran to the table, something that George W Bush and John Bolton failed to do with their threats and bluster.

    But they’re perfectly willing to cheer, when Trump resurrects the already failed policy of threats and bluster.

    But Trump has no support. Not in the United States,and not in the world.

    Trump will dither and bluster, and then turn obsequious. That’s his pattern.

    Teheran is making that clear.
     
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    Iran loved Obama because he was their little puppet. To show their love for him, they embarrassed him by taking American sailors into custody and using them for propaganda purposes. Don't bring Obama into anything. He was used and abused by our enemies and capitulated every time. Maybe YOU think that shows strength, but the Iranians did NOT respect him.
     
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    The UK agrees with the US that Iran is damaging these ships and so does the insurer of the Norwegian ship.
     
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    No america great. America best country. America always right. America know what best for world.
     
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    You brought Obama into this, not me. That’s the standard Trumpster dodge.

    Obama got Iran to the table and made a deal. One that was praised everywhere around the world except in Riyad, Jerusalem and Bugtussle.

    Trump won’t.

    But you cheer loudly for a policy that has already failed, and does not have the support of any other country (except Saudi Arabia and the UAE)

    You keep running back to an incident in which a US Navy patrol strayed into Iranian waters, got caught, paraded briefly, then returned.

    Trump isn’t going to do anything about what Iran is doing now.

    And he would have very little support anyway.

    No body trusts Trump.

    He has shat on our allies, and emboldened our enemies, as this incident clearly shows.

    No one thinks that this weak, arrogant little man child will be up to leading this country in a real time of crisis.

    A crisis for Donald Trump is when Shawn Hannity doesn’t return his call.
     
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