Trump can pay smaller bond in civil fraud case as judge sets April date for hush money trial

Not at all what the judge said.

But I suppose it’s easier to make things up to support your narrative, rather than face the truth.

 

BTW, If you haven't realized already, Trump is a financial freaking genius. Nothing corrupt about any of this. Just a genius plain and simple. He is also likely one of the foremost negotiators on the planet! He comes off as extremely arrogant or very tough and humorous, depending on your particular understanding of his nature. He is one tough hombre! He is extremely confident (over-confident even) and doesn't take any crap from anyone. He also knows how to push the liberals buttons to the point of absolute rage. He does this on purpose, as it causes them to lose all sense of composure, lashing out by all means possible in their fits of rage. This only serves to make them appear even more unethical and hysterical than they otherwise might be. It is what is largely driving his poll numbers even higher and Biden's lower. This enrages the left as they run around hysterically screaming, "WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE REALIZE HE IS A CRAZY NAZI YADA YADA YADA. WE ARE THE SANE ONES AND HE AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE SHOULD BE EXECUTED AND THROWN IN JAIL!!!!!!! HE IS THE CRAZY ONE, NOT ME!!!! WHY CAN'T ANYONE SEE THIS!!!!" It really is amusing to watch it unfold. It is all an act to get the liberals to absolutely implode. If they would learn to relax and learn to take his prods with a sense of humor they might actually find him humorous. They need to stop taking themselves so seriously, learn humility instead of refusing to believe they could be wrong about ANYTHING, and possibly even come to the realization he is a damn good guy to have on your side. And he is 100% on the side of America and Americans. Good grief I have never seen such effective negotiations from ANY politician I recall or read about. He is a Pit Bull.

You know someone by their enemies. Putin, Xi and Iran's mullah's can't stand him, but they fear him more. He has absolutely destroyed them at every opportunity with little effort or expenditure. He even whips our own allies back into shape when they falter in their obligations.

 

Sure.

https://www.stern.nyu.edu/faculty/bio/eli-bartov

All of which happened during the time period where the democrats stated time and time again they were going to "get trump". Right?

Is it possible it's not fraud and they just did exactly what they told us they were going to do?

 

Wow! This guy looks like the world's foremost authority in finance. The Neils Bohr of finance. Busy guy. What is his involvement with the Trump case?

 

He testified on trumps behalf that there was no intentional fraud nor willful concealment of material facts. The issues raised by the DA were mistakes, most of which they corrected on their own and he provided multiples of examples of large companies which made the same basic mistakes but didn't correct them without direction from the government and they weren't considered fraud.

Of course Engoron just ignored everything he said as if he were some community college first year finance professor lol He even stated in his decision that the professor had undermined his credibility, not because he lied or stated falsities, but simply by supporting trumps position so openly. Engoron is so insanely corrupt it's ridiculous

 

Agreed. All isn't without hope, but we are facing serious threats to the Republic. I've watched the trials and tribulations of America for nearly 3/4 of a century. It has given me a comprehensive perspective regarding where we have been, where we are now, how we got here and where we may soon find ourselves. I'm convinced there are enemies of the Republic intent on destroying the Republic from within. Like sappers in the middle ages silently undermining our walls.

I voted for Nikki Haley. But, not because I thought she had superior skills to Trump. Don't get me wrong, she is one tough lady in her own right with a proven record in foreign policy. My honest assessment of Haley, Trump and Biden are...

Trump:
Trump is the most capable and has many of the qualifications needed in a POTUS. But I harbor no illusions Trump's personality will serve as a unifying force. Tough as nails, genius financially, surrounds himself with capable people, foreign policy 2nd to virtually none, militarily an unmitigated success (largely due to Mattis). Has a proven track record. Integrity, without the possibility for turning. Not in any way beholden to special interests. Largely funds his own candidacy.

Haley:
Very competent with many of the same qualities Trump has to a slightly lesser degree. Not quite as proven. Also smart as a whip and an accomplished negotiator. The reason I was swayed is because I felt she would be a more unifying personality. Although perhaps it is a pipe dream to presume anyone could overcome the confirmation bias of Democrats. It will be interesting to see if Trump and Nikki manage to join forces. What a team that would be! Secretary of State? Trump is smart and more capable in overcoming obstacles than many give credit. I suspect he recognizes Nikki's potential contributions and will find a way to overcome the recent vitriol of the primaries. It does mean she can't be on the ticket. But after the election I suspect she will be included in the cabinet.

Biden:
An unmitigated disaster with a decades long proven track record of failure. His only accomplishment has been to erase most any doubt about the deep-rooted failures of socialism. He too is a polarizing force. The pain and damage he has foisted on the Republic is the most valuable arrow in Trump's quiver. He is an abject failure in regard to the economy, national security, border security, monetary policy, foreign policy and Domestic policy. His ability to be an effective Commander in Chief is dismal, and in the process he has alienated even our closest allies. He is weak and feckless and his knee-jerk reaction is to appease our enemies. This isn't lost on our enemies, who have taken the opportunity to gain from his weaknesses. He is beholden and has been subverted by forces working behind the scenes to undermine our Republic. Furthermore, he apparently has lost what little faculties he ever possessed. Those he surrounds himself with are little improvement and the absence of proper leadership from the top further compounds their dilemma. Other than that, I think he would make a good POTUS in the coming 4 years should he live that long. Like Obama said, "If you want to F#$@ something up beyond all imaginable limits, give it to Joe".

 

Sometimes when wrestling pigs you just have to get your ass down there in the mud and wrestle around with them

 

Yes you are. You are confusing the defamation case (jury case) and his fraud case (bench case). It’s understandable though when you tie your allegiance to someone who commits so many crimes…!

 

TLDR
Why use one word when 10 will do just as nicely, right?

Yeah, I do and always have paid my taxes; I've never been audited once; I've been filing for ~60 years now.

All your words aside, tRaitor tRumps New York fraud charges, to paraphrase, were that he overvalued his properties for loan and net worth purposes, by a LOT, in New York . And then turned around and undervalued his properties, by a LOT, when filing his taxes in New York. <- Those were, basically, the New York fraud charges; nothing to do with the U.S. government or the IRS. That's what the trial was about, that's what he and his organization, including his sons, were found guilty of and that's what the penalties were based on. Hope that helps you.

 

Just wanted to add something to help your posting.

TLDR and DGAS

And, skimming again, irrelevant.

 

lol did you read what you just wrote?

He didn't massively overvalue his properties. The judge asserted they were massively overvalued because the corrupt judge is using tax assessed value. He provided a fair market value that was done by a certified property assessor. When you sell a property or go for a loan you don't use the tax assessed value.

HOWEVER when he pays his taxes on said property he is SUPPOSED to use the tax assessed value and not the market value.

What you described is exactly what you're SUPPOSED to do.

 

Good one!

Many financial experts have said that IF he had just invested the money he inherited from his dad with a competent firm and let them manage it, he would be better off today BY FAR and he could have actually been the playboy he always wanted to be.

 

Yeah, read it.

Well we'll see wont we? Isn't that what the $175m is about so he can appeal; should be interesting.

 

Trump thinks that the first "corrupt" judge UNDERvalued his property, not OVERvalued. And, even then, he is lying to you when he says the judge was solely relying on that 18 million valuation . . . which he wasn't . . . and he never ruled that was the only appropriate valuation (all of those are more Trump lies that you eagerly gobbled up without thinking about them twice or doing basic fact checking). Also, part of the reason the 18 million valuation is important (and if you address this fact, you will be the first Trump supporter in history to do so), is because TRUMP ORIGINALLY APPEALED THIS VALUATION AS BEING FAR TOO HIGH.

Think about this for five seconds. When it suits him for the value to be high, like when seeking a loan, he argues any valuation he sees is too low. When it suits him for the value to be low, such as when paying taxes, he argues any valuation he sees is too high. . . . Dude, this is LITERALLY, EXACTLY what he's accused of. And he's doing it right in front of your face. And you are so desperate to hold partisanship above intellectual honesty and basic critical thinking skills that you choose to ignore reality any time it offends Trump.

You know who saw this coming a mile away? EVERYONE, including myself, who actually sat down and read The Art of the Deal. Even if you take your time, it's a weekend read at most, but in it, Trump openly talks about lying about the value of his deals when it suits him. I told you guys years ago that, if Trump is doing the things he describes doing in his book, and he's doing it to lenders, insurers, and tax officials, then he's committing fraud.

The "Trump is a victim" narrative is as pathetic and flaccid as it is fake and dishonest.

 

They never said they would "get Trump" by any illegal means. Trump, on the other hand, openly admits that he lies about the value of his business deals when it suits him. Is it possible it is fraud and he just did exactly what he told us he does?

 

Because:

"I'm like really smart" -tt

We'll see how smart he is when the appeal is over ...

... IF, he comes up with the $175m

 

Source your claims that Trump says he lies about the value of business deals

 

I think he'll come up with it. He seemed (for himself, anyway) uncharacteristically calm about the decision. And I do think that it signals that the appeals court is going to slash the amount he ultimately owes. Unfortunately, that will probably be enough for the Trump supporters to fake a victory so that they can forget the fact that their beloved founder of a fraudulent "charity" and fraudulent "university" is also the founder of a fraudulent real estate empire. They've already forgotten about the criminal conviction.

 

Uhh that's easy to address. When he appealed the 18 million number as being too high he was referring to its TAXABLE value. Not its market value. He was asserting the amount of taxable value on the property was too high. In other words he felt as though the government was taxing him too much on the property. That never has and never will have ANYTHING to do with market value. Ever. By any real estate investor in history. And ALL of them try to get the taxable value of their properties lowered while increasing their market value.

Like what the actual **** are you even talking about bro? You couldn't figure that out for yourself? Oh of course you could, you just don't want to lol

 

It's in The Art of the Deal. He calls it "truthful hyperbole." Keep in mind we are literally talking about a guy who only made it on the Forbes 500 list after he faked his identity and called up Forbes to lie about how many assets he owned. But I appreciate your saintly generosity in seeing the man as anything other than a lying fraud of a conman. You should be canonized for that level of divine grace.

Here's part of the quote: "The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration — and a very effective form of promotion." I'll find the rest later, but he specifically gives, as an example, that he would use this "technique" (also known as lying) to lie about how many millions a deal had been worth.

 

But the problem is, why he was sued by the State of New York, is that he wanted, according to tRaitor tRump himslef, wanted the taxable value to be less than $18m but wanted the market value to be $18b. That's a bigger gap than you normally see. IF you stacked those values in $100 bills one is low earth orbit, the other gets you to the moon; that's quite a difference; don't cha think?

 

That is not stating that he intentionally lies about the value of his business deals. And he's not talking about on official documentation. Which you well ****ing know if you read the book. He's talking about when he's in discussions with other real estate investors. That's not illegal by any stretch of the imagination.

 

No. He wanted the market value to reflect what he paid a certified appraiser to appraise it for lol

 

The argument he used for lowering the taxable value would have also lowered the market value. It was based on the liens against the property . . . which HE HID when trying to get loans. That's called fraud. Whoever told you that all real estate investors lie like this is almost as corrupt as the crook you are defending.

No, I don't "want to" believe that lying about the number of floors in your building or the square footage or the rent rates or the liens against the property or whether or not brand value had been added or claim that the balance sheet followed GAAP when it didn't are all common, legal and acceptable real estate business practices. Unlike you, I will go where the facts lead. You keep following your "want" instead, though. See how that works out for you. It already has you desperately defending a con man.

 

. . . Try reading that over a couple of times. You are describing something illegal. And, again, he wanted that appraised value to be LOWER, not HIGHER.